Feature request for new GUI It would be nice to graphically render a patch and save it as a png or other graphic object without starting PD audio or GUI. This would be useful for documentation and web graphics. Could this be done as a customization that Hans mentioned or would it need to be in the main body GUI code? $ pd_render patch.pd patch.png
Thanks, Jeff Sandys
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Hey Jeff,
What would this do that a screenshot wouldn't give you? I guess you
are thinking automation? You can already 'Print' a patch to a .ps
postscript document, it comes out kind of weird though. It would
probably be possible as a plugin, but I haven't honestly looked.
Triggering the 'print' function programmatically wouldn't be hard.
Basically, now is the time to try ideas for plugins, because we can
still easily change the GUI code to make it easier to do things that
people want to do.
.hc
On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Jeff Sandys wrote:
Feature request for new GUI It would be nice to graphically render a patch and save it as a png
or other graphic object without starting PD audio or GUI. This would be useful for documentation and web graphics. Could this
be done as a customization that Hans mentioned or would it need to
be in the main body GUI code? $ pd_render patch.pd patch.pngThanks, Jeff Sandys
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I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).
Does it make sense?
I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how
"hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are
both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup
to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode.
.hc
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I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in
performance mode (ctrl-e).Does it make sense?
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Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
-Jonathan
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I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode.
.hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).
Does it make sense?
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear!
There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you
could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn
white).
cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom
Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would
be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to
help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I
suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format
doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points,
but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file.
It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS.
.hc
On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
-Jonathan
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM
I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how
"hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They
are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/ startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode.<Picture 1.png><Picture 2.png><Picture 3.png>
.hc
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS.
i have wondered on few occasions if segmented data could be stored after the 'connect' message, is there something hardcoded that only accept a connect selector with a list with 4 floats? would adding more floats break the file format?
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:48 AM, dmotd wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that
would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to
help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect
it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't
include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be
like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS.i have wondered on few occasions if segmented data could be stored after the 'connect' message, is there something hardcoded that only accept a connect selector with a list with 4 floats? would adding more floats break the file format?
You could try it for yourself pretty easily. Here's an easy way to
find here the "#X connect" message is implemented:
hans@palatschinken:src > grep '"connect"' *.c
g_editor.c: gensym("#X"), gensym("connect"),
g_editor.c: "connect");
g_editor.c: gensym("#X"), gensym("connect"),
g_editor.c: binbuf_addv(b, "ssiiii;", gensym("#X"),
gensym("connect"),
g_editor.c: gensym("connect"), A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT,
A_FLOAT, A_NULL);
g_readwrite.c: binbuf_addv(b, "ssiiii;", gensym("#X"),
gensym("connect"),
m_binbuf.c: else if (!strcmp(second, "connect")||
m_binbuf.c: gensym("#X"), gensym("connect"),
m_binbuf.c: else if (!strcmp(second, "connect"))
m_binbuf.c: gensym("#P"), gensym("connect"),
u_pdsend.c: sockerror("connect");
u_pdsend.c: sockerror("connect");
x_net.c: gensym("connect"), A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT, 0);
Basically, these two lines are saying that the "connect" message is
expected to be in 'ssiiii' format. s = symbol, i = integer. So
basically, two symbols (#X connect) and four integers (0 1 0 0)
g_editor.c: binbuf_addv(b, "ssiiii;", gensym("#X"),
gensym("connect"),
g_readwrite.c: binbuf_addv(b, "ssiiii;", gensym("#X"),
gensym("connect"),
First try throwing extra ints in the #X connect messages in a .pd
file, and see if that works. Then try getting those ints in Pd.
.hc
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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
First try throwing extra ints in the #X connect messages in a .pd file, and see if that works. Then try getting those ints in Pd.
this is the signature for the connect messages:
g_editor.c: gensym("connect"), A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_NULL);
this means that $1,$2,$3,$4 have to be floats, and furthermore, $5 must not exist.
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Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a "Properties" menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction.
Or can you already do this with iem-guts?
-Jonathan
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
-Jonathan
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM
I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. <Picture 1.png><Picture 2.png><Picture 3.png> .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).
Does it make sense?
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Dialog menus aren't pd patches yet, lots of work needs to be done for
that to happen. But you can to abstraction properties thing with
iemguts, I hear.
.hc
On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for
the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really
useful to be able to build a "Properties" menu for abstractions that can
change the arguments of the abstraction.Or can you already do this with iem-guts?
-Jonathan
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
-Jonathan
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM
I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. <Picture 1.png><Picture 2.png><Picture 3.png> .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).
Does it make sense?
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yup, iemguts covers this, see the objects [propertybang] + [canvasargs].
Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a "Properties" menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction.
Or can you already do this with iem-guts?
-Jonathan
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI.  I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes.  I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file.  It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
-Jonathan
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM
I just made a commit to make this possible.  Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite.  They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load.  They are both triggered by edit mode. <Picture 1.png><Picture 2.png><Picture 3.png> .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).
Does it make sense?
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Sounds marvelous! Unfortunately i'm having all kinds of problems here... it's Hardy amd64 but my main pd install (libraries etc) are 32bit. So they dont load plus there are some things not working: the Preferences dialog, and seemingly startup plugins.
Andras
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Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?
-Jonathan
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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: "András Murányi" muranyia@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM
I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode.
.hc
On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote:
I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).
Does it make sense?
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... [screenshots]
Is the font being changed, or is it just one Pd already uses on a different system than mine?
--Stefán
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Ichabod wrote:
2009/8/31 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at ... [screenshots]
Is the font being changed, or is it just one Pd already uses on a
different system than mine?
On Mac OS X, the default font is now Monaco, since its included with
the OS, and is the standard default font for fixed width things like
code editors.
On GNU/Linux and Windows, its still Courier, though it should be a bit
easier to use different fonts now.
.hc
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Do it yourself with dynamic patching, the below file suggests the "print" menu item can be triggered using the SoCal'ed internal messages:
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/doc/additional...
i found you have to give the savepath and filename as second item in the message which i think is coool: [print /tmp/pd.ps[
does not look like the graphical patcher window, but hey, ps output!
You might wanna look at a nice way to do figures in pd/tcltk Miller used to make the drawings in http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm
regards, Peter
Jeff Sandys wrote:
Feature request for new GUI It would be nice to graphically render a patch and save it as a png or other graphic object without starting PD audio or GUI. This would be useful for documentation and web graphics. Could this be done as a customization that Hans mentioned or would it need to be in the main body GUI code? $ pd_render patch.pd patch.png
Thanks, Jeff Sandys
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