So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
.hc
"We have nothing to fear from love and commitment." - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill
Does anyone use Power PC for audio work anymore? Also, is there a 10.7 machine? The latter seems more in demand.
cheers, Rich
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
.hc
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I'm sure people who have PPC equipment still use it ;-) As for 10.7, the builds on 10.5 and 10.6 should work fine on 10.7, so there isn't much of a need for a 10.7 build server. Mark Grimm has been working out the build kinks on 10.7, I'm sure he'd like some company in that misery.
As for me, 10.6 will be the last version of Mac OS X I use. I don't like iOS especially for my laptop, and Apple seems to be planning the end of Mac OS X, and is replacing it chunk by chunk with iOS. I've been using NeXTSTEP since 1994, and Mac OS X is really just the continuation of NeXTSTEP. More and more, the continuation of the ideas that make NeXTSTEP so great are happening outside of Apple, with projects like Étoilé http://etoileos.com/ and GNUstep.
One idea in Étoilé that blew me away with its awesomeness and inevitability was the idea of the OS providing the core frameworks for all document types, and that core framework keeps all revisions of the document permanently. Its time for File->Save to go away, disk space is cheap, the every app should save documents with the entire history of how they were created.
Apple, on the other hand, seems to be focused on people who want to have their nice big corporation do their thinking for them. So they are working hard to lock their users out of their own systems, forcing all applications to go through their review process, and other such things. NeXTSTEP always focused on making the power of the computer as available and easy to use as possible. Apple still do a lot of things much better than anyone else, but that is just too high a cost to pay.
.hc
On Feb 26, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Rich E wrote:
Does anyone use Power PC for audio work anymore? Also, is there a 10.7 machine? The latter seems more in demand.
cheers, Rich
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
.hc
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the build kinks on 10.7, I'm sure he'd like some company in that misery.
in fink, out of hans's pd-extended-dev script, on 10.7, the only thing not building is:
gmerlin
here is the error from the termilal:
if anyone wants to help?
a 10.7 build system would be nice yes.
builds on 10.5 and 10.6 should work fine on 10.7, so there isn't much of a need for a 10.7 build server.
might ease 64 bit builds on osx? since at least for my fink install all the libs are compiled 64 bit...
iOS especially for my laptop, and Apple seems to be planning the end of Mac OS X, and is replacing it chunk by chunk with iOS.
what they did with my beloved FCP (X?) really sucked... whats left? premiere? kdenlive? they are looking to imovie-atize everything. dont make. consume.
m
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
I'm sure people who have PPC equipment still use it ;-) As for 10.7, the builds on 10.5 and 10.6 should work fine on 10.7, so there isn't much of a need for a 10.7 build server. Mark Grimm has been working out the build kinks on 10.7, I'm sure he'd like some company in that misery.
As for me, 10.6 will be the last version of Mac OS X I use. I don't like iOS especially for my laptop, and Apple seems to be planning the end of Mac OS X, and is replacing it chunk by chunk with iOS. I've been using NeXTSTEP since 1994, and Mac OS X is really just the continuation of NeXTSTEP. More and more, the continuation of the ideas that make NeXTSTEP so great are happening outside of Apple, with projects like Étoilé http://etoileos.com/ and GNUstep.
One idea in Étoilé that blew me away with its awesomeness and inevitability was the idea of the OS providing the core frameworks for all document types, and that core framework keeps all revisions of the document permanently. Its time for File->Save to go away, disk space is cheap, the every app should save documents with the entire history of how they were created.
Apple, on the other hand, seems to be focused on people who want to have their nice big corporation do their thinking for them. So they are working hard to lock their users out of their own systems, forcing all applications to go through their review process, and other such things. NeXTSTEP always focused on making the power of the computer as available and easy to use as possible. Apple still do a lot of things much better than anyone else, but that is just too high a cost to pay.
.hc
On Feb 26, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Rich E wrote:
Does anyone use Power PC for audio work anymore? Also, is there a 10.7 machine? The latter seems more in demand.
cheers, Rich
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
.hc
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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM, m.e.grimm megrimm@gmail.com wrote:
what they did with my beloved FCP (X?) really sucked... whats left? premiere? kdenlive? they are looking to imovie-atize everything. dont make. consume.
m
OT, but Adobe Premiere works like the FCP replacemet should have. No need for tons of 3rd party apps just to open an old FCP file or the latest video/DSLR cam format.
On Feb 27, 2012, at 11:05 AM, m.e.grimm wrote:
the build kinks on 10.7, I'm sure he'd like some company in that misery.
in fink, out of hans's pd-extended-dev script, on 10.7, the only thing not building is:
gmerlin
here is the error from the termilal:
if anyone wants to help?
a 10.7 build system would be nice yes.
builds on 10.5 and 10.6 should work fine on 10.7, so there isn't much of a need for a 10.7 build server.
might ease 64 bit builds on osx? since at least for my fink install all the libs are compiled 64 bit...
I think 10.6 builds 64-bit fine, at least so far on the 10.6 build server and my 10.6 laptop.
.hc
iOS especially for my laptop, and Apple seems to be planning the end of Mac OS X, and is replacing it chunk by chunk with iOS.
what they did with my beloved FCP (X?) really sucked... whats left? premiere? kdenlive? they are looking to imovie-atize everything. dont make. consume.
m
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
I'm sure people who have PPC equipment still use it ;-) As for 10.7, the builds on 10.5 and 10.6 should work fine on 10.7, so there isn't much of a need for a 10.7 build server. Mark Grimm has been working out the build kinks on 10.7, I'm sure he'd like some company in that misery.
As for me, 10.6 will be the last version of Mac OS X I use. I don't like iOS especially for my laptop, and Apple seems to be planning the end of Mac OS X, and is replacing it chunk by chunk with iOS. I've been using NeXTSTEP since 1994, and Mac OS X is really just the continuation of NeXTSTEP. More and more, the continuation of the ideas that make NeXTSTEP so great are happening outside of Apple, with projects like Étoilé http://etoileos.com/ and GNUstep.
One idea in Étoilé that blew me away with its awesomeness and inevitability was the idea of the OS providing the core frameworks for all document types, and that core framework keeps all revisions of the document permanently. Its time for File->Save to go away, disk space is cheap, the every app should save documents with the entire history of how they were created.
Apple, on the other hand, seems to be focused on people who want to have their nice big corporation do their thinking for them. So they are working hard to lock their users out of their own systems, forcing all applications to go through their review process, and other such things. NeXTSTEP always focused on making the power of the computer as available and easy to use as possible. Apple still do a lot of things much better than anyone else, but that is just too high a cost to pay.
.hc
On Feb 26, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Rich E wrote:
Does anyone use Power PC for audio work anymore? Also, is there a 10.7 machine? The latter seems more in demand.
cheers, Rich
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
.hc
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On 2012-02-27 02:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
i think the iem could dedicate a G4 (733MHz, 750MB) machine. it's currently running 10.4;
i will have to wipe the disk first of course, but afaik it's not going to be used any more.
i was hoping for a G5, but unfortunately the only one left is very unstable and won't boot every other day (and if it boots it will power down for no apparent reasons after some minutes/hours)
mghsdf IOhannes
On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:22 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2012-02-27 02:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
i think the iem could dedicate a G4 (733MHz, 750MB) machine. it's currently running 10.4;
i will have to wipe the disk first of course, but afaik it's not going to be used any more.
i was hoping for a G5, but unfortunately the only one left is very unstable and won't boot every other day (and if it boots it will power down for no apparent reasons after some minutes/hours)
Greg Pond has also offered a machine. Either works for me. A 10.4 machine would be nice so we can support 10.4 too. Basically, it just needs 10.4 and Xcode with all the updates, then Fink and JackOSX. That's it. If I have ssh root access, I can do the setup remotely.
.hc
Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic
I will check the specs on my machines and get back to you soon. We have several surplus g4 and g5 towers here. IOhannes has a lot more knowledge and experience than I do so if he wants to do it then I am happy to turn it over to him- whatever is the best to keep the builds going.
Greg
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:22 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2012-02-27 02:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard
drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from
the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
i think the iem could dedicate a G4 (733MHz, 750MB) machine. it's currently running 10.4;
i will have to wipe the disk first of course, but afaik it's not going to be used any more.
i was hoping for a G5, but unfortunately the only one left is very unstable and won't boot every other day (and if it boots it will power down for no apparent reasons after some minutes/hours)
Greg Pond has also offered a machine. Either works for me. A 10.4 machine would be nice so we can support 10.4 too. Basically, it just needs 10.4 and Xcode with all the updates, then Fink and JackOSX. That's it. If I have ssh root access, I can do the setup remotely.
.hc
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IOhannes is also the "central point of failure" for a lot of Pd. There is only so much on person can do, so I figure its good to spread the work around :-)
As for running this box, as long as its online, I can easily maintain it. Someone local just needs to be able to keep it booted up and connected to the internet.
.hc
On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Greg Pond wrote:
I will check the specs on my machines and get back to you soon. We have several surplus g4 and g5 towers here. IOhannes has a lot more knowledge and experience than I do so if he wants to do it then I am happy to turn it over to him- whatever is the best to keep the builds going.
Greg
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:22 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2012-02-27 02:56, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
So the Mac OS X PowerPC machine from the build farm has died. The hard drive is intact, so all the data is there. I also have much more limited time for maintaining the PdLab machines. So I'm looking for someone to host the Mac OS X PowerPC builds. It can be really any recent PowerPC Mac. The old machine was a 300MHz G4.
Can anyone take this on? I'd hate to see Mac OS X/PowerPC dropped from the supported platforms since they are still quite capable machines.
i think the iem could dedicate a G4 (733MHz, 750MB) machine. it's currently running 10.4;
i will have to wipe the disk first of course, but afaik it's not going to be used any more.
i was hoping for a G5, but unfortunately the only one left is very unstable and won't boot every other day (and if it boots it will power down for no apparent reasons after some minutes/hours)
Greg Pond has also offered a machine. Either works for me. A 10.4 machine would be nice so we can support 10.4 too. Basically, it just needs 10.4 and Xcode with all the updates, then Fink and JackOSX. That's it. If I have ssh root access, I can do the setup remotely.
.hc
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On 02/27/12 20:44, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
IOhannes is also the "central point of failure" for a lot of Pd. There is only so much on person can do, so I figure its good to spread the work around :-)
which is true. so if greg (or somebody else) is donating anyhow (and they have spare G5's available, which we don't), then i think it's "the more the merrier".
fgmasdr IOhannes
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