-- jayrope +++ https://jayrope.com https://aircushionfinish.com +++ https://hub.kliklak.net/@jrp On 26.11.24 06:04, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote: > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list@lists.iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > pd-list-request@lists.iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-owner@lists.iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: mp3 playback from URL (ydegoyon @gmail.com) > 2. Re: mp3 playback from URL (ydegoyon @gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 03:30:32 +0100 > From: "ydegoyon @gmail.com" ydegoyon@gmail.com > Subject: [PD] Re: mp3 playback from URL > To: Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com > Cc: Pd-List pd-list@lists.iem.at > Message-ID: 7064e40c-051e-67d9-2c44-e4c1ba05fb7d@gmail.com > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="------------80B7505D3C0F0CD1B62AFF27" > > > yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well > > autorship was about *pd OpenCV* if you can't read anything clearly, > and it's mainly from *Luis Gomez i Bigorda* and me if you can't even > remember details. > > at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from *Deken * > would please me. > > i write in bold so you can remember. > > and we have absolutely whatsover *ANY personal relationship*, > so drop your comments about my attitude. > > yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention, > and i don't regret i wasn't there, > i don't go in a colony for boyscouts. > > all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more. > > chevil@giss.tv > > Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com >> http://gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> >> escreveu:* >>> they can fork it and even thank the author, >>> but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.* >> Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - clearly has >> you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure others know what >> you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by an "unknown >> youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man as to realize we're >> not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are not talking to whoever >> you are accusing of stealing your work without credit. And ohboy, >> you're really trying hard to offend me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I >> got that way into your head. >> >> I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent trait, >> which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above average and it >> masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, the score drops to >> "average". Since you're so interested in my conditions, check this >> diagram >> ... >> (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me). >> >> *> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the >> same license as PiDiP* >> >> I said I cloned from your git <git clone >> http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git%3E. The license in there, >> in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you changed it, you >> don't seem to have updated it or made new versions based on your new >> license in the "real repository, kept in GISS.tv". >> >> I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't know much >> about it. As I see it, once you release a version with the GPL >> license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. I bet the Pd >> people know a lot about licensing and that is why 'unauthorized' was >> kept in Extended. >> >> You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from somewhere. >> Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not maintaining it. I am >> actually trying to help you understand the situation. We're all on the >> same page that "unauthorized" should not be used. So I hope you >> realize how pointless this discussion is. You don't seem to get things >> even being so smart and after multiple explanations. If it's still >> confusing, I'll just give up. >> >> I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are still >> shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can try and >> reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you can get it out >> of there in the same way you couldn't get it out of Extended. >> >> The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in Vanilla >> via our deken plugin. It was important to have these libraries around >> in a transition phase period when Extended quite unfortunately ceased >> and people were adapting. There are new libraries being maintained and >> with alternatives. Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is >> maintaining it or making new uploads. There's an old version there >> which doesn't even run on newer machines and it has the old license >> and explains how it was forked and even points to your original >> repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a new >> version with the new license so people can install from deken? Can we >> leave it at that? Do you want it out of deken? Under what reasoning? >> >> It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old and >> abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already have >> alternatives for a couple of objects I used from unauthorized, like >> [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE for that). Yeah, I lied I >> "never used it", but I don't consider that using a couple of objects >> when I was using Extended means I actually knew your library. >> >> For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have unauthorized >> cloned, I will look again on what's in there for real, see if >> something is worth having an alternative to. And regarding the topic >> of the thread, I'll investigate more about what we have in Pd >> regarding streaming and will look into adding those things into ELSE >> (and in PlugData by extension). >> >> *> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.* >> >> You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for a >> peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna get >> into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to have mental >> issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm actually changing the >> way I feel about you. >> >> It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree you >> shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people don't have >> to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like you want to >> justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're doing, you're >> actually doubling down. My case differs and, for starters, it's not an >> "illness", they're divergent traits, and I'm not using anything as an >> excuse to justify any rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was >> defending myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid >> or something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an >> illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. Regardless >> of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you. >> >> My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly honest. It >> can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For instance, you were a >> real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare dealing with you all along. >> I regret I invited you, insisted on your coming, paid for your stuff, >> made sure you had all you needed, because at literally the last minute >> you simply missed the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how >> that made me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I >> still am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed >> us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you were >> just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, people can >> just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it out, offer you a >> happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm now having mixed feelings >> and it's true I'm also just sorry to realize you're still struggling >> with whatever haunts you after so many years. >> >> Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this concerns >> the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just some silly >> engagement without a history. On the other hand, you're also coming >> back here and being offensive and rude in general again. You're just >> revisiting how you mistreated people about 14 years ago out of >> nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why I took the stand and had the >> initiative to deal with you and not let you have it easy this time >> around, and push you back if you're just gonna make a scene again. I >> see others have an easier way of handling this and just ignore you. >> That's way harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out. >> >> I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can hold it >> together, as this is what was happening, you were being treated nice, >> after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, I poked you and >> pushed you back cause I don't count on your ability to behave. But if >> I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome back :) anytime! >> >> Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, and >> help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more productive >> approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to exchange. However, if >> that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I guess others won't bother >> much as well. >> >> cheers >