Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek <matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com mailto:matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: <CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com mailto:CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much respect! Thanks!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
It depends on your workflow. For PdParty, you can stream *all* live sensor events over OSC while prototyping in desktop Pd, which is sufficient for my use case. Then again, I don’t use my mobile device as an everything computer, so I suppose I’m biased.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Feb 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com wrote:
Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much respect! Thanks!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Do people really want to *edit* Pd patches on a phone or tablet? To me this sounds like pure masochism :-D
On 24.02.2023 12:52, Dan Wilcox wrote:
It depends on your workflow. For PdParty, you can stream *all* live sensor events over OSC while prototyping in desktop Pd, which is sufficient for my use case. Then again, I don’t use my mobile device as an everything computer, so I suppose I’m biased.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Feb 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com wrote:
Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much respect! Thanks!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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Well I kinda abandoned all desktop OS about 10 years ago, just running chromiumOS everywhere now and patiently waiting for all runtimes to become available in cloud :D Also I dont run crostini or crossover or other any WM.. yes, its a simple life :D I just kept one windows computer to run VSTs and OBS studio, otherwise chromebooks and android devices for everything :) But I miss pd heavily... btw i saw your APK builder for pddroid - awesome! Google wants aab bundles now though, which is really annoying, so I guess we will abandon google play eventually and use some alternative repo/installer. Anyhow, if someone has an idea how to edit patches on stock android devices or on chromebooks that would be great!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:52 PM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
It depends on your workflow. For PdParty, you can stream *all* live sensor events over OSC while prototyping in desktop Pd, which is sufficient for my use case. Then again, I don’t use my mobile device as an everything computer, so I suppose I’m biased.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Feb 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com wrote:
Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much respect! Thanks!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Interesting approach. I don’t know if I trust Google that much, personally. OTOH I use Apple devices which have their own issues.
On Feb 24, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com wrote:
btw i saw your APK builder for pddroid - awesome!
Note: This isn’t me. I am the author for PdParty which is iOS only. PdDroidParty is on Android and was my direct inspiration. You may be thinking of Chris McCormick, the original author of DroidParty. I recognize the naming confusion, but PdIOSParty or PdAppleParty made little sense at the time.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
how about this one: https://github.com/cuinjune/purr-data https://github.com/cuinjune/purr-data running pd in a browser, which also would run on android. (disclaimer: i only glanced at it casually)
but as christoph said, it has some masochistic aspect to it.
best
hans
Am 24.02.2023 um 13:05 schrieb Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com:
Well I kinda abandoned all desktop OS about 10 years ago, just running chromiumOS everywhere now and patiently waiting for all runtimes to become available in cloud :D Also I dont run crostini or crossover or other any WM.. yes, its a simple life :D I just kept one windows computer to run VSTs and OBS studio, otherwise chromebooks and android devices for everything :) But I miss pd heavily... btw i saw your APK builder for pddroid - awesome! Google wants aab bundles now though, which is really annoying, so I guess we will abandon google play eventually and use some alternative repo/installer. Anyhow, if someone has an idea how to edit patches on stock android devices or on chromebooks that would be great!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:52 PM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
It depends on your workflow. For PdParty, you can stream *all* live sensor events over OSC while prototyping in desktop Pd, which is sufficient for my use case. Then again, I don’t use my mobile device as an everything computer, so I suppose I’m biased.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Feb 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com wrote:
Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much respect! Thanks!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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purrdata is also listed on puredata.info which gives me feel it is original runtime ported to html, i havent tried it yet, I did try webpd which is is made from a pd fan but has its own runtime and library (it works awesome and patches worked in any browser, desktop or mobile it doesnt have the fancy things though.. even vanilla is not fully supported).. also UI is very good...
pdparty seems crazy smart and interoperable, and I need a few free days to try it... overworked, overwhelmed, burnt out, anxious, sleepless, tired.. greetings
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 1:55 PM hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com wrote:
how about this one: https://github.com/cuinjune/purr-data running pd in a browser, which also would run on android. (disclaimer: i only glanced at it casually)
but as christoph said, it has some masochistic aspect to it.
best
hans
Am 24.02.2023 um 13:05 schrieb Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com:
Well I kinda abandoned all desktop OS about 10 years ago, just running chromiumOS everywhere now and patiently waiting for all runtimes to become available in cloud :D Also I dont run crostini or crossover or other any WM.. yes, its a simple life :D I just kept one windows computer to run VSTs and OBS studio, otherwise chromebooks and android devices for everything :) But I miss pd heavily... btw i saw your APK builder for pddroid - awesome! Google wants aab bundles now though, which is really annoying, so I guess we will abandon google play eventually and use some alternative repo/installer. Anyhow, if someone has an idea how to edit patches on stock android devices or on chromebooks that would be great!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:52 PM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
It depends on your workflow. For PdParty, you can stream *all* live sensor events over OSC while prototyping in desktop Pd, which is sufficient for my use case. Then again, I don’t use my mobile device as an everything computer, so I suppose I’m biased.
enohp ym morf tnes
Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Feb 24, 2023, at 12:23 PM, Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com wrote:
Dan thanks! Yes your considerations are reasonable but sadly pd has really lost its "livecoding" angle when Android/iOS devices became so popular. Smartphones are portable and have so many sensors that livecoding on android would really make much more sense than coding on desktop and deploying to smartphone for each change. I hope there will be some effort to rewrite pd-lib to run in stock android and I am willing to help (although I am worst programmer ever.. I am kinda good tester and profiler though). And if it is actually possible to run pd-lib on rooted android that is interesting but I am somewhat suspicious. If there is a linux container for androids that would be easier I guess (but not so RAM friendly). Btw, I've noticed purrdata js runtime for pd is available but again I think it does not allow patch creation/editing, only patch running? Btw, pddroidparty webpage is really nicely organised and clear in its communication -> much respect! Thanks!
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:21 AM Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Howdy Matevz,
I don't believe so, although I must include the caveat tat I do not use Android, so perhaps there is something out there I am not aware of.
Running patches via libpd in a mobile app is much easier than creating a live, graphical *editor* as with desktop Pd as:
- the interaction metaphors are different
- libpd does not have a way to tap into the core pd editing logic (yet)
That being said (written?), it's certainly possible to create something that can automate writing a Pd file which can then be loaded by libpd, however, once things complicated enough, you basically end up duplicating most of the core logic with the detriment that you have to carefully try to keep it up to date with whatever version of pd / libpd you are using. In short: it's a lot of thankless work that is best *not* done without lots of interest, resources, and support.
The closest thing I can think of is rooting the device to install a Linux distro so you can run *desktop* Pd, however I don't think this is where your question is focused.
As the author of PdParty, which utilizes libpd on iOS, I made a clear decision early on to *not* tackle on-device editing, mainly for the reasons mentioned above.
On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:44:58 +0100 From: Matevz Leskovsek matevz.leskovsek@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Creating/editing patches on android? Message-ID: CAEsQPf7MQ+SLkCzqo848OQ9LweoCUzjVPVHXvQYSfvKZ+Gt5qg@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi all, as I remember all those PD on Android platforms (mobmuplat, pddroid) only allowed running patches and not editing those, meaning that one needed a desktop computer to create and edit patches. Is this still the case or is it possible now to use Android device for creating and running pd patches. Thanks!
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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