Hello List,
Sorry for yet another laptop question (there are many in the
archives), but since specs change often, I thought I'd ask.
I'm in need of a new laptop. I use Pd/Gem/PiDiP/Gridflow for visuals and run Debian.
My preferences are:
- AMD processor
- NVidia graphics (only because I have had trouble getting s-video
output with ATI) 3. s-video output
This has led me to some variations of what HP has to offer, for
example the dv6000 series:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?
storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks/hp_pavilion/
dv6000_series&series_name=dv6000z_series&catLevel=3&tab_switch=true&tab=
specs
Has anyone used this or similar for Pd visuals? Any advice, good or bad?
Thanks! paris
Hallo, Paris Treantafeles hat gesagt: // Paris Treantafeles wrote:
Sorry for yet another laptop question (there are many in the
archives), but since specs change often, I thought I'd ask.I'm in need of a new laptop. I use Pd/Gem/PiDiP/Gridflow for visuals and run Debian.
My preferences are:
- AMD processor
You may want to reconsider this: When targetting Linux then Intel-laptops are a much better choice because you get good open source drivers and support for most hardware out of the box.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Paris Treantafeles hat gesagt: // Paris Treantafeles wrote:
Sorry for yet another laptop question (there are many in the
archives), but since specs change often, I thought I'd ask.I'm in need of a new laptop. I use Pd/Gem/PiDiP/Gridflow for visuals and run Debian.
My preferences are:
- AMD processor
You may want to reconsider this: When targetting Linux then Intel-laptops are a much better choice because you get good open source drivers and support for most hardware out of the box.
i cannot reproduce this. the only closed-source drivers you usually will come across are graphics card and w-lan (see below). i never had any problems with any other component on AMD-based systems (even if the mb-chipset is by nvidia, you will get everything to run with a stock (GPL) kernel)
graphics cards: of course you can go for intel, but these chips are just crap compared to state-of-the-art technology by nvidia and/or radeon. both of these cards come with proprietary drivers if you want to take advantage of this hardware. if you prefer open source drivers, they are available as well (but not so good). i don't know for sure, but i guess that using an nvidia card with "nv" (==OS) drivers won't behave worse than intel gfx cards with their OS drivers. if you seriously want to do Gem, then you also want a gfx card that supports openGL. you don't have much choice.
wlan: i think that here the intel chipsets are best (open-source like); however you could be lucky and your non-intel wlan card is supported too.
mfg.adsr IOhannes
PS: pd-ot
Has anyone tried a benchmarking patch for Gem so we can compare these issues? I'm very curious about these intel gfx chips Frank and Marc have been talking about for years now. I wonder how they compare:
Nvidia geforce2 == radeon 8000? == intel?
Of course I'm guessing there is no shader support on those intel cards at all right?
Paris, why an HP? Just curious...
I've been dreaming anout a linux-only laptop myself lately...
.b.
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Paris Treantafeles hat gesagt: // Paris Treantafeles wrote:
Sorry for yet another laptop question (there are many in the archives), but since specs change often, I thought I'd ask.
I'm in need of a new laptop. I use Pd/Gem/PiDiP/Gridflow for visuals and run Debian.
My preferences are:
- AMD processor
You may want to reconsider this: When targetting Linux then Intel-laptops are a much better choice because you get good open source drivers and support for most hardware out of the box.
i cannot reproduce this. the only closed-source drivers you usually will come across are graphics card and w-lan (see below). i never had any problems with any other component on AMD-based systems (even if the mb-chipset is by nvidia, you will get everything to run with a stock (GPL) kernel)
graphics cards: of course you can go for intel, but these chips are just crap compared to state-of-the-art technology by nvidia and/or radeon. both of these cards come with proprietary drivers if you want to take advantage of this hardware. if you prefer open source drivers, they are available as well (but not so good). i don't know for sure, but i guess that using an nvidia card with "nv" (==OS) drivers won't behave worse than intel gfx cards with their OS drivers. if you seriously want to do Gem, then you also want a gfx card that supports openGL. you don't have much choice.
wlan: i think that here the intel chipsets are best (open-source like); however you could be lucky and your non-intel wlan card is supported too.
mfg.adsr IOhannes
PS: pd-ot
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Hallo, B. Bogart hat gesagt: // B. Bogart wrote:
Has anyone tried a benchmarking patch for Gem so we can compare these issues? I'm very curious about these intel gfx chips Frank and Marc have been talking about for years now.
For years?
Here are some benchmarks I googled up: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
If you want or need the top of the line 3D performance then avoid the Intel chips. But you also should avoid the cheap ATi/Nvidia chips then, like the Xpress 200M or stuff like that.
On my home machine I run AMD, but I'm recommending the Intel notebooks over AMD based ones mostly because they I believe they are easier to setup, have better battery live for comparable performance, wireless works out of the box, BIOSses are often better and maybe some other reasons.
Of course everyone needs to do her/his own research especially in a market that moves as fast as the laptop market. But the price advantage AMD offers in this area is really marginal, so why bother? Because of 64bit?
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
Because of 64bit?
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On Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:19:15PM +0200, Arie van Schutterhoef wrote:
Because of 64bit?
whats this.
although AMD was the only game intown for 64bit laptops for over a year, and the only game in town for 64bit dual core laptops for 6 months, Intel has arrived. considering how much better supported their drivers are on OS's besides winXP/OSX than AMD/ATI/Nvidia chipsets/video its pretty much a no-brainer, especially since core 2 duo and Xeon are now in-line pricewise with Turion X2 and Opteron.
iow: get something Intel based unless you don't plan on running linux or bsd. and since HP and Apple's notebooks are made in the same Quanta factory in china anyways, why pay 50% more? you like apple's plastic design skills?
i cannot reproduce this. the only closed-source drivers you usually will come across are graphics card and w-lan (see below). i never had any problems with any other component on AMD-based systems (even if the mb-chipset is by nvidia, you will get everything to run with a stock (GPL) kernel)
ive got the AMD version of Frank's laptop:
- for the first 9 months of owning it, the clock ran twice as fast, until a 3 line patch was fianlly rolled into the kernel.
- Ingo's RT kernel either freezes directly after grub launches it, or
- Ingo's RT kernel panics with ACPI issues during the boot process
- it is virtually impossible to get the proprietary ATI video drivers working
- it is virtually impossible to get 3D acceleration,or fully working 2D with any driver:
- free driver goes black screen and system unresponsive until hard power cycle when DRI/DRM/GLX loads
- proprietary driver won't compile+depmod+modprobe+actuallyWork unless you know the magical old version of Xorg and kernel to downgrade to (and proably break other packages on the system in the process
- free driver can't use the VGA port. well it can, but the display is garbled (at the driver level - the mouse cursor moves around, but its rainbow vertical stripes on 16x16 repeating-blocks background)
luckily i got the barebones version, so the Intel wireless card i put in works great.
i'd definitely get the Intel next time. :) i really had no idea, and had plenty of fine experiences with AMD on winXP and at the time they were the only 64bit around, and much cheaper as well. things have changed..
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Paris Treantafeles hat gesagt: // Paris Treantafeles wrote:
Sorry for yet another laptop question (there are many in the
archives), but since specs change often, I thought I'd ask.I'm in need of a new laptop. I use Pd/Gem/PiDiP/Gridflow for visuals and run Debian.
My preferences are:
- AMD processor
You may want to reconsider this: When targetting Linux then Intel-laptops are a much better choice because you get good open source drivers and support for most hardware out of the box.
Ciao
I've a custom built desktop pc and an HP laptop both with AMD chips. No probs so far.
On the desktop pc I use mostly Slackware but sometimes I boot into Suse 10.0 (for the apps that take more advantage of the 64bit addressing). On the laptop I have only Slackware installed.
Having experience with both Nvidia and Ati cards, I suggest you to look for a laptop with an Nvidia. I've never had problems with the NVidia drivers on linux so far.
Instead, my HP Pavilion 8002AE has an Ati card and I had some problems when I tried to upgrade to the latest drivers (maybe the driver is buggy, or I made something wrong configuring it). Haven't tried the s-video output yet. Everything else (apart from the multi card reader) works.
Ciao,
c.
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