Well, their ideas behind the music are their ideas behind the music. The music that results is the music that results.
Composers tend to do a terrible job articulating what's relevant in their own work. I'd take what a composer professes to be interested in with a grain of salt.
-Jonathan
Composers tend to do a terrible job articulating what's relevant in their own work. I'd take what a composer professes to be interested in with a grain of salt.
Perhaps in some cases but I certainly wouldn't make that a prescriptive approach. Without understand that's Steve Reich was influenced heavily by tape machinery, West African music, and Indonesian music, you can enjoy the music, but you cannot fully understand the man. There are many other examples I could give.
Dom
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, their ideas behind the music are their ideas behind the music. The music that results is the music that results.
Composers tend to do a terrible job articulating what's relevant in their own work. I'd take what a composer professes to be interested in with a grain of salt.
-Jonathan
From: * Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca;
To: * Dominic Pflaum dompflaum@gmail.com;
Cc: * pd-list@iem.at;
Subject: * Re: [PD] Am I alone?
Sent: * Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:25:08 AM
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Dominic Pflaum wrote:
But in direct response to what you wrote, I believe there are some people
who are more interested in the ideas behind the music, than the actual sounds produced; the sounds produced are almost a souvenir of the idea. It's not my approach, but who am I to say others should not look at things that way?
That's alright, but can't they call it « ideas behind music » instead of « music » ? or perhaps « ideas instead of music » ? ;)
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
But we're not talking about the man, we're talking about the music.
-Jonathan
--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Dominic Pflaum dompflaum@gmail.com wrote:
From: Dominic Pflaum dompflaum@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone? To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "Mathieu Bouchard" matju@artengine.ca, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 10:38 PM
Composers tend to do a terrible job articulating what's relevant in their own work. I'd take what a composer professes to be interested in with a grain of salt.
Perhaps in some cases but I certainly wouldn't make that a prescriptive approach. Without understand that's Steve Reich was influenced heavily by tape machinery, West African music, and Indonesian music, you can enjoy the music, but you cannot fully understand the man. There are many other examples I could give.
Dom
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, their ideas behind the music are their ideas behind the music. The music that results is the music that results.
Composers tend to do a terrible job articulating what's relevant in their own work. I'd take what a composer professes to be interested in with a grain of salt.
-Jonathan
From:
Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca>;
To:
Dominic Pflaum <dompflaum@gmail.com>;
Cc:
<pd-list@iem.at>;
Subject:
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
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Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:25:08 AM
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011, Dominic Pflaum wrote:
But in direct response to what you wrote, I believe there are some people who are more interested in the ideas behind the music, than the actual sounds produced; the sounds produced are almost a souvenir of the idea. It's not my approach, but who am I to say others should not look at things that way?
That's alright, but can't they call it « ideas behind music » instead of « music » ? or perhaps « ideas instead of music » ? ;)
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
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On 2 February 2011 03:13, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
But we're not talking about the man, we're talking about the music.
‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not a thing at all but an activity, something that people do.’
Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The Meanings of Performing and Listening’
-- J. Simon van der Walt - Composer www.jsimonvanderwalt.com +44 (0) 7905 270 198
Reasonable Kate: Have you ever heard of the Chicken Dance? Questionable Chris: There is no such thing as the Chicken Dance. The Chicken Dance is not a thing at all but an activity, something that people do.
Sad irony: Chris ends up _not_ dancing that night.
-Jonathan
--- On Wed, 2/2/11, J. Simon van der Walt tedthetrumpet@gmail.com wrote:
From: J. Simon van der Walt tedthetrumpet@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone? To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:46 AM On 2 February 2011 03:13, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
But we're not talking about the man, we're talking
about the music.
‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not a thing at all but an activity, something that people do.’
Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The Meanings of Performing and Listening’
-- J. Simon van der Walt - Composer www.jsimonvanderwalt.com +44 (0) 7905 270 198
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, J. Simon van der Walt wrote:
‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not a thing at all but an activity, something that people do.’ Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The Meanings of Performing and Listening’
An activity is a kind of thing.
It's an ontological issue.
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
I think music is globaly a raisonnance "buisness".
Not something material, like an instrument itself even if it is also a physical phenomena , because we can hear it through the air. And it is also a communication system where several poeple can be involved in. You can remember a music like a physical object and transform it later, you can also play something with the same main global idea at the background, (what you want to communicate), in a sightly different ways , like it is never played the same way at each time you play it ,while keeping essentially the same idea and building rules considering those rules are really containing the message you want to send on the network of poeple involved in this action. (that includes musicians and listeners)
Following some rules it can touch your soul.
mmm does it make any sens? :) , I was just thinking about the enormous north indian music system of ragas , that partially defines music in that kind of way.(folowing what I actually understand of this)
And I am thinking often that perhaps it would be possible to make some interesting patches relative to that, without having an exact clear idea myself about what I would really like to get yet. (PS: I didn't want to annoy any one with my 18:50 PM tough , at least it was not my goal :)
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, J. Simon van der Walt wrote:
‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not a thing at all but an
activity, something that people do.’ Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The Meanings of Performing and Listening’
An activity is a kind of thing.
It's an ontological issue.
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Stephane Nguyen wrote:
(PS: I didn't want to annoy any one with my 18:50 PM tough , at least it was not my goal :)
The post I saw was timestamped 18:53. If you posted something else timestamped 18:50, I didn't see it at all. I can only see one post by you in the pd-list archive.
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