i'm new to this list and have bunches of questions to ask...
i'm working on my B.S. in audio production and plan to persue graduate work in the fields of DSP, sound morphing, and perhaps EE or computer programming.
i'm pretty much a fanatic of electronic music, but discovered over the years that my interest had more to do with the sounds created than the actual 'music.' so...
i'm in the process of selling all my synths, drum machines, and external processors for a computer based system. (i'm keeping my sampler..) i know about MAX, MSP, and LiSa and realize that macintosh computers are better equipped to handle audio / visual data. however, in recent light (pd being one factor..) i've become aware that a mac based platform has it's limitations and people are starting to gravitate towards PCs and Unix based machines. since i'm also interested in programming (specifically C) i realize that a macintosh won't be able to provide me with the compiling software i need. (unless someone can correct me on this.. how well does the virtual PC software work on Macs?? would i be able to run a c compiler or visual basic compiler with any success??) i would greatly appreciate any and all opinions concerning PD and MAX with regards to which platform would be a wise investment. i'm looking into G3 laptops, but am wondering if a laptop might pose too many limitations on object oriented / audio software. (PD, MAX, and LiSa in particular..) this computer would also serve as my 'workstation' for school and internet access. laptop, desktop, pc, mac, pd, max???
thanks bunches,
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chris, sorry, i was too wasted to answer your other mail yesserday .. ;)
so, i think there's a pretty simple answer to you rsituation .. which is, if your budget allows for it, i d go and get a G3 schleppi, since you will be able to run both macos (also mac X server, and max and all the other nifty mac audio soft) as well as linuxppc, which i think should pretty much rock on a G3 and go for all the nifty linux nonsense soft (inclding pd and many free compilers) ;) just get yourself a HUGE hardrive with an intel thing, well, you get about the same power for half the price which of course also could eb worth considering .. and you could also run the beOS on it, but then, there's still not too much soft available, as i suppose (i m not too closely following it) and then, there's vmware, which looks like a pretty stable virtual pc software for linux.
well, so far for what i ve got to throw in. happy pondering. jodel.so
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Just to make certain that everything is clear, VMWare is a virtual PC and NOT an emulator. It only runs on Intel therefore (I think that this is what you were saying, but I thought I would clarify for those not familiar with it). It is most similar to OS2s ability to run Windows binaries or SheepShaver (which is about to be released for linuxppc). I have used vmware successfully and it is impressive, but a little slow. I think as it nears release it will get faster, though.
As far as laptop prices go, the new G3s are not more than the PCs and they are built much better on average. If you want a laptop, Apple is the only way to go ! I think the biggest disappointment is that you won't be able to run the BeOS which works on all the PowerPC chips except the G3.
Karl
On Fri, 28 May 1999, 17.cV.478H wrote:
chris, sorry, i was too wasted to answer your other mail yesserday .. ;)
so, i think there's a pretty simple answer to you rsituation .. which is, if your budget allows for it, i d go and get a G3 schleppi, since you will be able to run both macos (also mac X server, and max and all the other nifty mac audio soft) as well as linuxppc, which i think should pretty much rock on a G3 and go for all the nifty linux nonsense soft (inclding pd and many free compilers) ;) just get yourself a HUGE hardrive with an intel thing, well, you get about the same power for half the price which of course also could eb worth considering .. and you could also run the beOS on it, but then, there's still not too much soft available, as i suppose (i m not too closely following it) and then, there's vmware, which looks like a pretty stable virtual pc software for linux.
well, so far for what i ve got to throw in. happy pondering. jodel.so
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Karl W. MacMillan karlmac@mindspring.com karlmac@peabody.jhu.edu 410/727-8849
Just to make certain that everything is clear, VMWare is a virtual PC and NOT an emulator. It only runs on Intel therefore (I think that this is what you were saying, but I thought I would clarify for those not familiar with it). It is most similar to OS2s ability to run Windows binaries or SheepShaver (which is about to be released for linuxppc). I have used vmware successfully and it is impressive, but a little slow. I think as it nears release it will get faster, though.
oh, yeah. there is only intel binaries for vmware. and yes, thats the "funny" thing, that you can basically run any intel compatible OS in the vm. like linux within linux. 2 different distributions or something. unfortunately recursion stops at level 1. ;/ furthermore of course you wouldnt use it to do dsp.? ;] and what would you want to use windoze for except testsurfing your latest pages for IE4 compatibility. ;))
As far as laptop prices go, the new G3s are not more than the PCs and they are built much better on average. If you want a laptop, Apple is the only way to go ! I think the biggest disappointment is that you won't be able to run the BeOS which works on all the PowerPC chips except the G3.
no beos on g3 is a point. but also, al the highend pc-laptops i think are pricewise much the same as any better g3, so ... hm. also, i have little direct experience with linuxppc, but i assume its running pretty good from what i "see", so for example pd running on it ..
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|no beos on g3 is a point. |but also, al the highend pc-laptops i think are pricewise much the same as any better g3, so ... hm. |also, i have little direct experience with linuxppc, but i assume its running pretty good from what i "see", so for |example pd running on it .. |
I had Linuxppc running on my PPC7200/120 for a (long) while. Eventually I got rid of it for HD space...
LinuxPPC is quite stable although there seem to still be some problems on G3 machines. But I'm not following the Mailing list discussion anymore so I don't know it present state. In my experience, as I wanted to do some work with sound as well there were certain limitations at the time.
- Sound was very shaky. Any sound drivers were developed to support
playing CDs and mp3s. That worked fine but I haven't had good experiences with running pd. pd compiled fine but the sound quality was just awful. The same with CSound (if running it in real-time). Otherwise, linuxppc run a lot faster than MacOS 8.0 and I did some benchmarks running Csound in both OSs and under linux it run MUCH faster.
So if there was some improvement in handling sound under linux it is worth using. Otherwise it's very stable and great for just about anything except serious audio/MIDI work.
Also, at the time there was no MIDI support over serial ports. I guess it could be hacked quite easily but it definitely wasn't a task for me.
my 0.02 cents.
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