Hi all,
Is there a fix to restore a decent look for patches on a retina display? Right now they all open in X11 (XQuartz on 10.8 apparently) using the "pixel doubled mode" and well, look like it's 1995 all over again.
I searched the list for "retina" in the subject line but nothing showed up.
Thanks for any info, jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On 08/20/2013 03:30 PM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi all,
Is there a fix to restore a decent look for patches on a retina display? Right now they all open in X11 (XQuartz on 10.8 apparently) using the "pixel doubled mode" and well, look like it's 1995 all over again.
I searched the list for "retina" in the subject line but nothing showed up.
I've got a mac build that demo's my revision of the Preferences Dialog which (I think) uses the newer API: http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/Pd-with-prefs-0.43.zip/view?searchterm...
Can you dl and tell me if it makes a difference?
If not, I can also try building it with tk 8.6 which supposedly has improved mac support.
Thanks, Jonathan
Thanks for any info, jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
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Hi Jonathan,
It stays the same with your build, but that pref pane of yours is pretty neat!
Some more info for those who care:
except for labels
windowing system is still wrong though, i.e. title bar, dialogs, etc)
objects look wrong
I know this is about aesthetics and thus pretty low on the PD dev scale, but everything else is so nice on the retina..
jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
On 08/20/2013 03:30 PM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi all,
Is there a fix to restore a decent look for patches on a retina display? Right now they all open in X11 (XQuartz on 10.8 apparently) using the "pixel doubled mode" and well, look like it's 1995 all over again.
I searched the list for "retina" in the subject line but nothing showed up.
I've got a mac build that demo's my revision of the Preferences Dialog which (I think) uses the newer API:
http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/Pd-with-prefs-0.43.zip/view?searchterm...
Can you dl and tell me if it makes a difference?
If not, I can also try building it with tk 8.6 which supposedly has improved mac support.
Thanks, Jonathan
Thanks for any info, jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
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On 08/21/2013 11:14 AM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
It stays the same with your build, but that pref pane of yours is pretty neat!
Some more info for those who care:
- If I load a pre-retina patch and copy it in a new patcher it fixes
things except for labels
and what if you save it and then load the saved "post-retina" patch? I can't imagine anything in the source file that would flag a patch wrt this.
- If I start a new patch, all is good in the patch even labels (the
windowing system is still wrong though, i.e. title bar, dialogs, etc)
- If I load a pre-retina patch and create new objects in it, the new
objects look wrong
I know this is about aesthetics and thus pretty low on the PD dev scale, but everything else is so nice on the retina..
Maybe take some screenshots of the main window, loading an old patch, loading a new patch, etc. Then post the screenshots somewhere on the web and put the links in this thread.
Unfortunately I don't have a retina display.
-Jonathan
jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 08/20/2013 03:30 PM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi all, Is there a fix to restore a decent look for patches on a retina display? Right now they all open in X11 (XQuartz on 10.8 apparently) using the "pixel doubled mode" and well, look like it's 1995 all over again. I searched the list for "retina" in the subject line but nothing showed up.
I've got a mac build that demo's my revision of the Preferences Dialog which (I think) uses the newer API: http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/Pd-with-prefs-0.43.zip/view?searchterm=pd%20with%20prefs Can you dl and tell me if it makes a difference? If not, I can also try building it with tk 8.6 which supposedly has improved mac support. Thanks, Jonathan
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.comwrote:
On 08/21/2013 11:14 AM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
It stays the same with your build, but that pref pane of yours is pretty neat!
Some more info for those who care:
- If I load a pre-retina patch and copy it in a new patcher it fixes
things except for labels
and what if you save it and then load the saved "post-retina" patch? I can't imagine anything in the source file that would flag a patch wrt this.
as expected, the newly saved patch is fine when reopening it.
- If I start a new patch, all is good in the patch even labels (the
windowing system is still wrong though, i.e. title bar, dialogs, etc)
- If I load a pre-retina patch and create new objects in it, the new
objects look wrong
I know this is about aesthetics and thus pretty low on the PD dev scale, but everything else is so nice on the retina..
Maybe take some screenshots of the main window, loading an old patch, loading a new patch, etc. Then post the screenshots somewhere on the web and put the links in this thread.
Unfortunately I don't have a retina display.
here's a screenshot of an opened patch versus the same patch pasted in a new patcher: http://i.imgur.com/J3U4z6w.png
cheers, jm
-Jonathan
jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.comwrote:
On 08/20/2013 03:30 PM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi all,
Is there a fix to restore a decent look for patches on a retina display? Right now they all open in X11 (XQuartz on 10.8 apparently) using the "pixel doubled mode" and well, look like it's 1995 all over again.
I searched the list for "retina" in the subject line but nothing showed up.
I've got a mac build that demo's my revision of the Preferences Dialog which (I think) uses the newer API:
http://puredata.info/Members/jancsika/Pd-with-prefs-0.43.zip/view?searchterm...
Can you dl and tell me if it makes a difference?
If not, I can also try building it with tk 8.6 which supposedly has improved mac support.
Thanks, Jonathan
Thanks for any info, jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Jean-Michel Dumas jm.dumas@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.comwrote:
On 08/21/2013 11:14 AM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
It stays the same with your build, but that pref pane of yours is pretty neat!
Some more info for those who care:
- If I load a pre-retina patch and copy it in a new patcher it fixes
things except for labels
and what if you save it and then load the saved "post-retina" patch? I can't imagine anything in the source file that would flag a patch wrt this.
as expected, the newly saved patch is fine when reopening it.
- If I start a new patch, all is good in the patch even labels (the
windowing system is still wrong though, i.e. title bar, dialogs, etc)
- If I load a pre-retina patch and create new objects in it, the new
objects look wrong
I know this is about aesthetics and thus pretty low on the PD dev scale, but everything else is so nice on the retina..
Maybe take some screenshots of the main window, loading an old patch, loading a new patch, etc. Then post the screenshots somewhere on the web and put the links in this thread.
Unfortunately I don't have a retina display.
here's a screenshot of an opened patch versus the same patch pasted in a new patcher: http://i.imgur.com/J3U4z6w.png
cheers, jm
I have the impression that these are two different fonts.
András
it is the same font, but you pointed me in the right direction. copying the old patcher automatically reduces the font size to 10 instead of 12 apparently. so that's why the patch looks better. when I put the new patch's font at 12, it looks exactly like the old one.
the "pixel doubled mode" problem stays for dialogs, titles and menus, plus I really don't want to go through all my old patches and change the font size! ;)
jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM, András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Jean-Michel Dumas jm.dumas@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.comwrote:
On 08/21/2013 11:14 AM, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
It stays the same with your build, but that pref pane of yours is pretty neat!
Some more info for those who care:
- If I load a pre-retina patch and copy it in a new patcher it fixes
things except for labels
and what if you save it and then load the saved "post-retina" patch? I can't imagine anything in the source file that would flag a patch wrt this.
as expected, the newly saved patch is fine when reopening it.
- If I start a new patch, all is good in the patch even labels (the
windowing system is still wrong though, i.e. title bar, dialogs, etc)
- If I load a pre-retina patch and create new objects in it, the new
objects look wrong
I know this is about aesthetics and thus pretty low on the PD dev scale, but everything else is so nice on the retina..
Maybe take some screenshots of the main window, loading an old patch, loading a new patch, etc. Then post the screenshots somewhere on the web and put the links in this thread.
Unfortunately I don't have a retina display.
here's a screenshot of an opened patch versus the same patch pasted in a new patcher: http://i.imgur.com/J3U4z6w.png
cheers, jm
I have the impression that these are two different fonts.
András
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On 08/21/13 21:09, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
the "pixel doubled mode" problem stays for dialogs, titles and menus, plus I really don't want to go through all my old patches and change the font size! ;)
why not? it should be quite simple:
$ find . -type f -name "*.pd" -exec
sed -i -e '/^#N canvas/s/12;$/10;/' {} ;
fgmdras IOhannes
lol I knew someone would post something like that and i'm aware of ways to do that (though not sed, since you have to be a wizard and/or a machine to use that). i'm still keeping that line, could be handy sometime, thanks.
i'm working between multiple machines from a centralized patch repository, which means fixing the look of all the patches for one will render them weird looking on the others. my main patching machine is running Ubuntu and everything looks fine on it. the gig machine I need stuff to look good on is a new macbook, hence the retina display.
anyway, the fact remains that all dialogs and menu bars and titles stay ugly even if I can partially fix the patches by reducing font size.
i'm guessing it's XQuartz's fault somehow, but I know nothing about it or how to change the display mode.
jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 08/21/13 21:09, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
the "pixel doubled mode" problem stays for dialogs, titles and menus, plus I really don't want to go through all my old patches and change the font size! ;)
why not? it should be quite simple:
$ find . -type f -name "*.pd" -exec
sed -i -e '/^#N canvas/s/12;$/10;/' {} ;fgmdras IOhannes
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On 08/21/13 22:29, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
lol I knew someone would post something like that and i'm aware of ways to do that (though not sed, since you have to be a wizard and/or a machine to use that). i'm still keeping that line, could be handy sometime, thanks.
ah i forgot to add, that i only did test that one-liner on a simple Pd-patch. you might want test it in a sandbox before using it to destroy your entire patch collection.
mfgadrs IOhannes
Here's another possible approach... to get the dialogs etc to look OK you can comment out the line "tk scaling 1" in tcl/pd-gui.tcl (a long confused thread on this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2013-06/019517.html) and then to get the actual patch contents to look OK again, try to change the scaling of canvases using this: http://wiki.tcl.tk/4844
I don't have any way to test all this (no 'retina display' - I use a desktop machine - and anyway I'd rather swallow broken glass than use a Macintosh today).
cheers Miller
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 04:29:43PM -0400, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
lol I knew someone would post something like that and i'm aware of ways to do that (though not sed, since you have to be a wizard and/or a machine to use that). i'm still keeping that line, could be handy sometime, thanks.
i'm working between multiple machines from a centralized patch repository, which means fixing the look of all the patches for one will render them weird looking on the others. my main patching machine is running Ubuntu and everything looks fine on it. the gig machine I need stuff to look good on is a new macbook, hence the retina display.
anyway, the fact remains that all dialogs and menu bars and titles stay ugly even if I can partially fix the patches by reducing font size.
i'm guessing it's XQuartz's fault somehow, but I know nothing about it or how to change the display mode.
jm
Jean-Michel Dumas
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
On 08/21/13 21:09, Jean-Michel Dumas wrote:
the "pixel doubled mode" problem stays for dialogs, titles and menus, plus I really don't want to go through all my old patches and change the font size! ;)
why not? it should be quite simple:
$ find . -type f -name "*.pd" -exec
sed -i -e '/^#N canvas/s/12;$/10;/' {} ;fgmdras IOhannes
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