Hi all, in times of IPod and other comparable players, i can hardly imagine that there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit PCM 2-channel recording. Naturally, some editing capabilites and plug-in powered microphone input would also be great and the device should act like a normal firewire or USB harddisk when plugged into a computer. Any pointers?
thanks, Thomas
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Hi Thomas,
on the more pro-audio side, have a look here: http://www.trewaudio.com/downloads.htm http://www.trewaudio.com/download/non%20linear%20comp%20chart.pdf
Entry-level stuff starts around EUR 1000, however.
OTOH, most of the consumer-grade outfits are somehow crippled in one way or another, usually to do with digital rights mismanagement or other concerns about "piracy". And the hardware isn't usually too good in terms of AD converters or mike jacks. Some people have mentioned IRiver or Archos jukeboxes, but I'm saving up for a real recorder, so I haven't looked into them much.
good luck, d
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Hi all, in times of IPod and other comparable players, i can hardly imagine that there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit PCM 2-channel recording. Naturally, some editing capabilites and plug-in powered microphone input would also be great and the device should act like a normal firewire or USB harddisk when plugged into a computer. Any pointers?
thanks, Thomas
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Hi all, in times of IPod and other comparable players, i can hardly imagine
that
me too. this topic is driving me crazy........
there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit
PCM
2-channel recording. Naturally, some editing capabilites and plug-in
powered
microphone input would also be great and the device should act like a
normal
firewire or USB harddisk when plugged into a computer. Any pointers?
there are some new MD-recorders from sony (Hi-MD) with minidisc of 1GB. they have plug-in power for the sony electret mics. they have a USB-port (bidirectional) and they say: >>>>>>you can record both ATRAC-3 and PCM (16bit i think). technically this would be the device i've been looking for a long time. but there seem to be different restrictions (im not quite sure: you cannot download your old md's from the recorder to computer by usb; may you cannot export your pcm-data as wav-files; you can only up-/downloading files [any data] using their proprietary software, the device does not behave like a harddisk when you plug it to your computer .....) i visited different stores to ask about the restrictions and i've got many quite different answers. it seems to be quite difficult to get some reliable information about consumer (not professional) products. the next thing i'll do is to contact sony directly.....
thanks, Thomas
cheers roman
Thomas,
I think others will probably recommend other devices with more capabilities, but as far as mp3 players go, I have the Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 that will record in both mp3 and wav formats. To be honest, I haven't gotten around to using that feature, but it seems more than capable. Also, I haven't used it with Creative's windows explorer plugin [which allows one to drag and drop files to and from the computer/their mp3 player], but the software that comes with the Nomad will basically allow you to transfer the recorded files back to the computer for editing, etc.
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thanks, Thomas
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Thomas,
I think others will probably recommend other devices with more capabilities, but as far as mp3 players go, I have the Creative Nomad Jukebox 3 that will record in both mp3 and wav formats. To be honest, I haven't gotten around to using that feature, but it seems more than capable. Also, I haven't used it with Creative's windows explorer plugin [which allows one to drag and drop files to and from the computer/their mp3 player], but the software that comes with the Nomad will basically allow you to transfer the recorded files back to the computer for editing, etc.
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thanks, Thomas
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Pat Pagano wrote:
yes lads, it's called a laptop :-)
Others call it Fostex FR-2 or Marantz PMD-670 (with micro harddisks or flash cards). About the price of a laptop but you can't use them to write emails. ;-) The Fostex does 24bit 192kHz!
Olaf
i can hardly imagine that there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit PCM 2-channel recording.
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Olaf Matthes wrote:
Pat Pagano wrote:
yes lads, it's called a laptop :-)
Others call it Fostex FR-2 or Marantz PMD-670 (with micro harddisks or flash cards). About the price of a laptop but you can't use them to write emails. ;-)
The Marantz is the price of a cheap laptop: EUR 600-700
There's also this one for under USD 500, does 24/44:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R1Edirol/
Again, with the Editrol or the Marantz, you get what you pay for in terms of AD converters, so it depends on how picky you are about the sound. The Fostex looks solid, but pricey at EUR 1200.
d
I recommend the iRiver iHP-120. You can record to MP3 or WAV from the internal mic, external mic, or line level input. Mine is 20 GB. Shows up on my WinXP machine as an external harddrive (USB connection). Some limitations: No level meters while recording, no timestamps on the recorded files, no on-board delete functionality. Works great for field recordings, recording live performances, etc.
-Bill http://www.williamfields.com
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:57:47 +0100, Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org wrote:
Hi all, in times of IPod and other comparable players, i can hardly imagine that there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit PCM 2-channel recording. Naturally, some editing capabilites and plug-in powered microphone input would also be great and the device should act like a normal firewire or USB harddisk when plugged into a computer. Any pointers?
thanks, Thomas
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I recommend the iRiver iHP-120. You can record to MP3 or WAV from the internal mic, external mic, or line level input. Mine is 20 GB. Shows up on my WinXP machine as an external harddrive (USB connection). Some limitations: No level meters while recording, no timestamps on the recorded files, no on-board delete functionality. Works great for field recordings, recording live performances, etc.
well i've got thie ihp-140 ... nice mp3 player ... but i recorded a concert directly from my hdsp's analog output ... the sound quality wasn't that good, though ... but it has a digital input so if you have an external adc, it's probably much better (haven't tried it)
cheers ... tim
a certain William Fields w.fields@gmail.com wrote:
I recommend the iRiver iHP-120. You can record to MP3 or WAV from the internal mic, external mic, or line level input. Mine is 20 GB. Shows up on my WinXP machine as an external harddrive (USB connection). Some limitations: No level meters while recording, no timestamps on the recorded files, no on-board delete functionality. Works great for field recordings, recording live performances, etc.
² indeed a pity of the level meters. deleting is now possible: update to the latest firmware. it also plays ogg-files.
m
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Hi, i'd like to thank you all for the valuable information. It's a difficult choice.... the harddisk players don't seem to provide the quality and flexibility i'd like to have. Really interesting is the Compact-Flash solution pointed to by Frank Barknecht, but it's already a bit too expensive. Today i had a look at the new generation of Hi-MD-Recorders (Sony), which seem quite ok... they are really compact and 100 minutes of PCM recording time is enough for me. They have USB-IO and optical in, plugin-power for electret micros, acceptable level meters, the usual editing capabilities and the possibility of using normal batteries. Maybe i'm also biased by the fact that i have been using my good ole MD-Walkman for nearly ten years now, without any problems, also withstanding some hard crashes. At the moment, it's sure difficult to get the Hi-MD media at most places of the world, though.
best greetings, Thomas
hi
if you buy a hi-MD-recorder, please let us know about the capabilities of it. i'm using a MD-recorder since years too, and it would be nice to keep using this media for me, because i have a lot of recorded stuff on md and i think the line/mic-inputs have good quality (compared to many built-in soundcards or mp3-player-inputs). a very nice adavantage of the Hi-MD-recorders is the usb-port, that (should) let you upload your recorded stuff into computer (<-no one has been able yet to tell me reliably WHAT you can upload to computer and WHAT NOT: analog recorded stuff, digitally recorded stuff, files ported per usb, soundfiles from your old mds .....?????). sony is one of my most hated companies because of their way to push their own standards. so i'm in a conflict. nevertheless i came to the conclusion that this Hi-MD-recorders would be a nice solution and i'm thinking about buying one. if anyone has already experience with it, please let me know.
thanks
roman
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Hi, i'd like to thank you all for the valuable information. It's a difficult choice.... the harddisk players don't seem to provide the quality and flexibility i'd like to have. Really interesting is
the
Compact-Flash solution pointed to by Frank Barknecht, but it's already a bit too expensive. Today i had a look at the new generation of Hi-MD-Recorders (Sony), which seem quite ok... they are really compact and 100 minutes of PCM recording time is enough for me. They have USB-IO and optical in, plugin-power for electret micros, acceptable level meters, the usual editing capabilities and the possibility of using normal batteries. Maybe i'm also biased by the fact that i have been using my good ole MD-Walkman for nearly ten years now, without any problems, also withstanding some hard crashes. At the moment, it's sure difficult to get the Hi-MD media at most places of the world, though.
best greetings, Thomas
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Hallo, Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
i'd like to thank you all for the valuable information. It's a difficult choice.... the harddisk players don't seem to provide the quality and flexibility i'd like to have. Really interesting is the Compact-Flash solution pointed to by Frank Barknecht, but it's already a bit too expensive.
I just stumbled over another one: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
I just stumbled over another one: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
Hm, but it doesn't have a hard disk, though. I don't know, if it can be retrofitted later.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
It uses Compact flash, which is getting pretty cheap these days (I just bought a 1 gig card for 70usd). NOt as cheap as a harddrive, or big, but for field recording 1 gig should could give you plenty of space, even uncrompressed.
I would still go with the Neuros though. To bad my bank account doesnt automatically regenerate.
m.
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Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
I just stumbled over another one: http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
Hm, but it doesn't have a hard disk, though. I don't know, if it can be retrofitted later.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
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Has anyone tried the Neuros? www.neurosaudio.com/
They're being incredibly open with their product, supporting lots of file formats (who else supports OGG?) and even releasing the source code to their firmware... Includes line-in (and built-in mic for notes-to-self) ... Looks like their promoting an add-on preamp w/ stereo mics for it...
Anyway, if I had the scratch this would be mine... And I'm not afraid to advertise for them, it looks like their doing everything right.
e
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Hi all, in times of IPod and other comparable players, i can hardly imagine that there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit PCM 2-channel recording. Naturally, some editing capabilites and plug-in powered microphone input would also be great and the device should act like a normal firewire or USB harddisk when plugged into a computer. Any pointers?
thanks, Thomas
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Hallo, Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
in times of IPod and other comparable players, i can hardly imagine that there is no harddisk-based recording device capable of 16 or 24 bit PCM 2-channel recording. Naturally, some editing capabilites and plug-in powered microphone input would also be great and the device should act like a normal firewire or USB harddisk when plugged into a computer. Any pointers?
A politically correct solution would be the Core Sound High Resolution Portable Digital Audio Recorder PDAudio (tm) http://www.core-sound.com/HighResRecorderNews.html
"PDAudio turns your PocketPC PDA into a high-resolution digital audio recorder."
or the PDAudio-CF which is a CompactFlash Digital Audio Interface Card also running in laptops (Windows and Linux, ALSA driver).
Advantage 2: carries PD in its name.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
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