hallo list,
i know this is not a special pd question but i think there are some points which touch pd. i ask this question here cause i think maybe here are some people which are familiar with this.
i am planing to do something like an art sound installation. many different speakers should be placed in a room, and every speaker should do a different sound.
now i need a cheap possibility to get as many audio units as possible.
i am thinking about two ways of realizing that stuff.
first version of my project works with autark/isolated sound. so for example, every sound objekt in the instalation has an audioplayer and a speaker.
the second version is that all speakers are connected to a computer, so i need many outputs at the sound card, and only many speakers. in this version the speakers could for example interact, or do other serialized actions, managed by puredate.
i dont have so much money. what do you think is the cheapest way to realize what i want to do.
the sound doesnt have to be verry good and mono is enough.
a friend of mine owns a little key hanger, on which you can press to get some funny spoken words of a german singer artist. i think it was very cheap. maybe an advanced version of this would be enough for my needs.
have a nice day
best regards robert grah
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:57 PM, smilingmolecule smilingmolecule@web.de wrote:
hallo list,
i know this is not a special pd question but i think there are some points which touch pd. i ask this question here cause i think maybe here are some people which are familiar with this.
i am planing to do something like an art sound installation. many different speakers should be placed in a room, and every speaker should do a different sound.
now i need a cheap possibility to get as many audio units as possible.
i am thinking about two ways of realizing that stuff.
first version of my project works with autark/isolated sound. so for example, every sound objekt in the instalation has an audioplayer and a speaker.
how would you trigger the sound in this case? or would it be just random?
the second version is that all speakers are connected to a computer, so i need many outputs at the sound card, and only many speakers. in this version the speakers could for example interact, or do other serialized actions, managed by puredate.
multiple outputs on a soundcard is usually expensive, but it would be the most interesting solution
i dont have so much money. what do you think is the cheapest way to realize what i want to do.
the sound doesnt have to be verry good and mono is enough.
a friend of mine owns a little key hanger, on which you can press to get some funny spoken words of a german singer artist. i think it was very cheap. maybe an advanced version of this would be enough for my needs.
have a nice day
best regards robert grah
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On Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 06:42:28PM +0200, simone-www.io-lab.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:57 PM, smilingmolecule smilingmolecule@web.de wrote:
hallo list,
i know this is not a special pd question but i think there are some points which touch pd. i ask this question here cause i think maybe here are some people which are familiar with this.
i am planing to do something like an art sound installation. many different speakers should be placed in a room, and every speaker should do a different sound.
now i need a cheap possibility to get as many audio units as possible.
i am thinking about two ways of realizing that stuff.
first version of my project works with autark/isolated sound. so for example, every sound objekt in the instalation has an audioplayer and a speaker.
how would you trigger the sound in this case? or would it be just random?
the second version is that all speakers are connected to a computer, so i need many outputs at the sound card, and only many speakers. in this version the speakers could for example interact, or do other serialized actions, managed by puredate.
multiple outputs on a soundcard is usually expensive, but it would be the most interesting solution
i donno. surely yo can find some cheap 7.1 usb device for like $29?
i dont have so much money. what do you think is the cheapest way to realize what i want to do.
the sound doesnt have to be verry good and mono is enough.
a friend of mine owns a little key hanger, on which you can press to get some funny spoken words of a german singer artist. i think it was very cheap. maybe an advanced version of this would be enough for my needs.
have a nice day
best regards robert grah
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multiple outputs on a soundcard
check out ESI gigaport 8 outs for around 100 USD
also this looks cool, also from ESI:
how cheap are you planning to get.? M-Audio Delta 1010lt is pci and about 180$ for 8in-8out.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, simone-www. io-lab. org cimo75@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:57 PM, smilingmolecule smilingmolecule@web.de wrote:
hallo list,
i know this is not a special pd question but i think there are some points which touch pd. i ask this question here cause i think maybe here are some people which are familiar with this.
i am planing to do something like an art sound installation. many different speakers should be placed in a room, and every speaker should do a different sound.
now i need a cheap possibility to get as many audio units as possible.
i am thinking about two ways of realizing that stuff.
first version of my project works with autark/isolated sound. so for example, every sound objekt in the instalation has an audioplayer and a speaker.
how would you trigger the sound in this case? or would it be just random?
the second version is that all speakers are connected to a computer, so i need many outputs at the sound card, and only many speakers. in this version the speakers could for example interact, or do other serialized actions, managed by puredate.
multiple outputs on a soundcard is usually expensive, but it would be the most interesting solution
i dont have so much money. what do you think is the cheapest way to realize what i want to do.
the sound doesnt have to be verry good and mono is enough.
a friend of mine owns a little key hanger, on which you can press to get some funny spoken words of a german singer artist. i think it was very cheap. maybe an advanced version of this would be enough for my needs.
have a nice day
best regards robert grah
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On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 17:57 +0200, smilingmolecule wrote:
hallo list,
i know this is not a special pd question but i think there are some points which touch pd. i ask this question here cause i think maybe here are some people which are familiar with this.
i am planing to do something like an art sound installation. many different speakers should be placed in a room, and every speaker should do a different sound.
now i need a cheap possibility to get as many audio units as possible.
i am thinking about two ways of realizing that stuff.
first version of my project works with autark/isolated sound. so for example, every sound objekt in the instalation has an audioplayer and a speaker.
the second version is that all speakers are connected to a computer, so i need many outputs at the sound card, and only many speakers. in this version the speakers could for example interact, or do other serialized actions, managed by puredate.
you would need some kind of amplifier for each speaker too...
What I did once is use relays to switch the output of one stereo amplifier to 8 speakers. I used an arduino+pd to control the relays and generate the sound. Also I made the sound fade out right before switching a relay on or off, and a fade in right after, to avoid clicks. If you have stereo out, and one stereo amp, you're only be able to activate two different sounds at the same time, but you can route them to any combination of speakers you want. Though it was not 'real' 8 channel spatialisation, but for the project it was just fine, and cheap :)
Tim
you would need some kind of amplifier for each speaker too...
depends on if the amplifier after the DAC is suitable
i routinely alligator-clip consumer 1/8" stuff to speakers with roughly 6" woofer and tweeter
really depends on the device, youll have to try
echo indigo and de1103 are plenty loud. intel hda (via realtek) in netbook a bit on the weak side
thanks for the replies.
i thought about using fm transmitter with old radios would be an idea too, if something wireless is needed. i like the idea.
if i dont use the connected version, the playing should be in random mode. maybe cheap active speakers and used minidiscplayers with random mode are a way to do it.
i also thought about building my own sample and hold units. maybe there are some nice circles in the web.
when i calculate all the possibilites named before, i get the result that a good audio device is cheaper and gives me more possibilities. anyhow i like the other ways. i found the esi gigaport hd for around 150 €. this is a good price for 8 output channels. but i think it wont run under linux. but this is another problem. its much cheaper like the firepod. for the beginning this seems enough.
the relay idea is a nice one too, i dont need sound on every channel the same time, but it would be nice. but i think the technical realization is many work.
what do you think,which is the easiest way to amplify the single signals. what amplifier method do this little active speaker for pc use? i think this would be enough power for high frequencies. for the deeper i will take old carhifi equipment i think.
smilingmolecule wrote:
i found the esi gigaport hd for around 150 €. this is a good price for 8 output channels. but i think it wont run under linux.
ESI Gigaport AG runs perfectly under linux using alsa's snd_usb driver. i see no reason for HD version to be not supported, as core seems to be quite the same.
also, actually, AG works even better in linux than in windows, because in linux you have all channels available and separately addressable out of the box, while in windows you have to do some driver switching procedure and rebooting to toggle between 8ch and stereo mode.
w23 wrote:
ESI Gigaport AG runs perfectly under linux using alsa's snd_usb driver. i see no reason for HD version to be not supported, as core seems to be quite the same.
also, actually, AG works even better in linux than in windows, because in linux you have all channels available and separately addressable out of the box, while in windows you have to do some driver switching procedure and rebooting to toggle between 8ch and stereo mode.
This is great, thanks for this information.
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i found cheap mono amplifier (12w) modules for about 10 €, i think this is enough for the moment, or do you have a better idea?