Hi all-
Here is an offering of my work using Pd.
http://jerodsommerfeldt.wordpress.com/audio-room/
Jerod
www.jerodsommerfeldt.com
Jerod Sommerfeldt schrieb:
Hi all-
Here is an offering of my work using Pd.
http://jerodsommerfeldt.wordpress.com/audio-room/
Jerod
www.jerodsommerfeldt.com
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i like both pieces very much.
for automatos: wich parameters of the output you are going to analyse?
thanks johannes
Hi,
here are two pieces where i used PD to transform the sound of voices/instruments..
http://soundcloud.com/kristof-lauwers/thintroppoinmealways
http://soundcloud.com/kristof-lauwers/sir-john-longton-revisited
cheers,
Kristof
info@kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net
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At 08:49 2010-05-19, you wrote:
Jerod Sommerfeldt schrieb:
Hi all-
Here is an offering of my work using Pd.
http://jerodsommerfeldt.wordpress.com/audio-room/
Jerod
www.jerodsommerfeldt.com
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i like both pieces very much.
for automatos: wich parameters of the output you are going to analyse?
thanks johannes
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my new tune. the third one I am posting.
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial.mp3
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all those tracks where made with pd:
www.soundcloud.com/dami-1
best wishes
André Damião Bandeira (11)9819-1999 www.soundcloud.com/dami-1 www.myspace.com/basavizi
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:23:15 -0400 From: matju@artengine.ca To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] music made with Pd
my new tune. the third one I am posting.
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial.mp3
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nice tune, man!!
Eduardo Patrício http://www.eduardopatricio.com.br (41) 8434-0480
De: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Para: pd-list@iem.at Enviadas: Domingo, 20 de Junho de 2010 21:23:15 Assunto: Re: [PD] music made with Pd
my new tune. the third one I am posting.
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial.mp3
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010, Eduardo Patricio wrote:
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial.mp3 nice tune, man!!
Here's a remade version :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial_version_trois.mp3
This one has lower pitch, chorus effect (by detuned pairs), 17 voices instead of 11 (in order to accomodate the pairs ; the 3 drum voices aren't doubled), I changed some details in the mixing... and most of all, this one doesn't loop over 28 measures, doesn't loop at all, and instead contains 128 measures (the logical extension of the first 28). I could have put even more because even though this is a very simple pattern, it doesn't repeat (before a damn long time). If I listen past the end of what I actually recorded, there is more and more and more. I had to cut the score somewhere (though I would have liked to keep more).
What do you think of it ?
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Nice.
--- En date de : Jeu 24.6.10, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca a écrit :
De: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Objet: Re: [PD] Res: music made with Pd À: "Eduardo Patricio" epatricio@yahoo.com Cc: "pd-list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Jeudi 24 juin 2010, 17h26
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010, Eduardo Patricio wrote:
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial.mp3 nice tune, man!!
Here's a remade version :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial_version_trois.mp3
This one has lower pitch, chorus effect (by detuned pairs), 17 voices instead of 11 (in order to accomodate the pairs ; the 3 drum voices aren't doubled), I changed some details in the mixing... and most of all, this one doesn't loop over 28 measures, doesn't loop at all, and instead contains 128 measures (the logical extension of the first 28). I could have put even more because even though this is a very simple pattern, it doesn't repeat (before a damn long time). If I listen past the end of what I actually recorded, there is more and more and more. I had to cut the score somewhere (though I would have liked to keep more).
What do you think of it ?
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De:Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Enviadas:Quinta-feira, 24 de Junho de 2010 14:26:07 Assunto:Re: [PD] Res: music made with Pd
On Sun, 20 Jun 2010, Eduardo Patricio wrote:
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial.mp3 nice tune, man!!
Here's a remade version :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/matju_-_gamelan_binomial_version_trois.mp3
This one has lower pitch, chorus effect (by detuned pairs), 17 voices instead of 11 (in order to accomodate the pairs ; the 3 drum voices aren't >doubled), I changed some details in the mixing... and most of all, this one doesn't loop over 28 measures, doesn't loop at all, and instead >contains 128 measures (the logical extension of the first 28). I could have put even more because even though this is a very simple pattern, it >doesn't repeat (before a damn long time). If I listen past the end of what I actually recorded, there is more and more and more. I had to cut the >score somewhere (though I would have liked to keep more).
What do you think of it ?
I like it! But since you've explained some things you've done, I could try to say more than just "great tune, man". And besides, It's great to have a discussion about music structure and, maybe, aesthetics, here on the list.
The chorus effect is interesting, I believe it contributes to the timbre you're building. I like the lower pitches too. But I like the previous sound better. In the previous version the timbre is more clear, bright and detached from the drumming background, I like that. Maybe you could find a way to explore both, low and high pitches, creating variation. In general, I believe that if you could do this, variation, connected to some sort of underneath developing formal structure (which means you could say, my music goes from here to somewhere else, tracing lines...), this tune would be even better. One element you could try to vary could be the selected pitches. What is your present criteria for the pitches? Maybe you could use different sets of them, each one with strong intervallic characteristics, for different "sections" of your tune... Another element could be the "concentration" of notes, when you have less or more spaced notes it creates different relations to the constant drumming background and I believe it's very interesting to listen to that, multiplies the perceptions!! I don't know. Maybe I'm talking to much. Sorry if I am. : )
cheers
Eduardo
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Eduardo Patricio wrote:
The chorus effect is interesting, I believe it contributes to the timbre you're building. I like the lower pitches too. But I like the previous sound better.
I also miss the original non-chorus sound, so, I'm wondering whether I could use both at once. It's very similar to trying to use a 6-string guitar and a 12-string guitar at once while not being able to choose between the two. I suppose that this is what originally led people to want two-neck guitars... ;)
In the previous version the timbre is more clear, bright and detached from the drumming background, I like that.
Well, there are several differences that I didn't state, perhaps some that I don't remember. I messed around with the instrument itself in ways I just don't remember, that changed the sharpness of the sound. Also, the doubling of the bells itself changes the sharpness of the sound, because of the various cancellations it causes (tremolo by battements).
And then I changed the drumming background somewhat, because it sounded too random. There's a probabilistic effect that causes the "bass drum" impression to be unusually loud in a random way, and too often way too quiet. So I turned off the noisificator in the case of the drums, but I still use it in the bells.
Maybe you could find a way to explore both, low and high pitches,
At this point, you know, each version of the piece spans over four octaves. Thus the difference between the two versions, which is only one octave, seems not very significant in comparison. But it ends up sounding quite different, perhaps most importantly because there's a very strong «home pitch» in this piece, that you keep on hearing all of the time.
creating variation. In general, I believe that if you could do this, variation, connected to some sort of underneath developing formal structure (which means you could say, my music goes from here to somewhere else, tracing lines...), this tune would be even better.
I'm still wondering about this one, but it's probably because I haven't tried much yet in that direction. But if I start messing with the pitches more, it may hide the underlying structure too much, quite easily, so I have to be careful.
One element you could try to vary could be the selected pitches. What is your present criteria for the pitches?
Binary coding mapped to subsets of a certain set of intervals, each of which is then summed. I tried a few different base sets, then settled for something that would give pentatonics and octave patterns.
Maybe you could use different sets of them, each one with strong intervallic characteristics, for different "sections" of your tune...
It would de-emphasise the fact that all the measures are connected by a magic pattern that constantly refers to parts of itself throughout the piece. It's a kind of fractal score, almost.
Actually, part of the score appeared as a stock photo in a newspaper recently, which I saw on the same day you wrote that mail :
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg
(really.)
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
Maybe you could use different sets of them, each one with strong intervallic characteristics, for different "sections" of your tune...
It would de-emphasise the fact that all the measures are connected by a magic pattern that constantly refers to parts of itself throughout the piece. It's a kind of fractal score, almost.
Actually, part of the score appeared as a stock photo in a newspaper recently, which I saw on the same day you wrote that mail :
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg
(really.)
like that! though the tracks are nice too - thanks for sharing man! ø
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, olsen wrote:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg (really.)
like that! though the tracks are nice too - thanks for sharing man!
Here's for you guys, a more detailed view of the score :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/gamelan_binomial.png
though in reality, this is a kind of « pre-score », as the data still needs to be transformed a bit. For example, this picture does not talk about the scale being used, and it also does not represent the way that notes are omitted.
And then, the actual used part of the score was originally a small square in the top left... or a long strip of the same width in the case of « version trois ».
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
Performance using Pd:
Cheers
Eduardo
Eduardo Patrício http://www.eduardopatricio.com.br (41) 8434-0480
De: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Para: olsen sesselastronaut@googlemail.com Cc: Eduardo Patricio epatricio@yahoo.com; pd-list pd-list@iem.at Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 7 de Julho de 2010 11:50:02 Assunto: Re: [PD] Res: Res: music made with Pd
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, olsen wrote:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg (really.)
like that! though the tracks are nice too - thanks for sharing man!
Here's for you guys, a more detailed view of the score :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/gamelan_binomial.png
though in reality, this is a kind of « pre-score », as the data still needs to be transformed a bit. For example, this picture does not talk about the scale being used, and it also does not represent the way that notes are omitted.
And then, the actual used part of the score was originally a small square in the top left... or a long strip of the same width in the case of « version trois ».
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
Hi there!
I'd like to share with you two recorded live performances made with my M.M.S. (a digital instrument: joystick + Pure Data)
http://soundcloud.com/eduardopatricio/discos-de-cobre-2010
http://soundcloud.com/eduardopatricio/electric-talk
Cheers!
Eduardo
Eduardo Patrício http://www.eduardopatricio.com.br (41) 8434-0480
De: Eduardo Patricio epatricio@yahoo.com Para: pd-list pd-list@iem.at Enviadas: Sábado, 2 de Outubro de 2010 1:59:24 Assunto: [PD] Res: Res: Res: music made with Pd
Performance using Pd:
Cheers
Eduardo
Eduardo Patrício http://www.eduardopatricio.com.br (41) 8434-0480
De: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Para: olsen sesselastronaut@googlemail.com Cc: Eduardo Patricio epatricio@yahoo.com; pd-list pd-list@iem.at Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 7 de Julho de 2010 11:50:02 Assunto: Re: [PD] Res: Res: music made with Pd
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, olsen wrote:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg (really.)
like that! though the tracks are nice too - thanks for sharing man!
Here's for you guys, a more detailed view of the score :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/gamelan_binomial.png
though in reality, this is a kind of « pre-score », as the data still needs to be transformed a bit. For example, this picture does not talk about the scale being used, and it also does not represent the way that notes are omitted.
And then, the actual used part of the score was originally a small square in the top left... or a long strip of the same width in the case of « version trois ».
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
Hey there,
I saw your first video and it is a quite interesting sonic result. Would you mind explaining how it works?
Cheers
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Eduardo Patricio epatricio@yahoo.comwrote:
Hi there!
I'd like to share with you two recorded live performances made with my M.M.S. (a digital instrument: joystick + Pure Data)
http://soundcloud.com/eduardopatricio/discos-de-cobre-2010
http://soundcloud.com/eduardopatricio/electric-talk
Cheers!
Eduardo
Eduardo Patrício http://www.eduardopatricio.com.br (41) 8434-0480
*De:* Eduardo Patricio epatricio@yahoo.com *Para:* pd-list pd-list@iem.at *Enviadas:* Sábado, 2 de Outubro de 2010 1:59:24 *Assunto:* [PD] Res: Res: Res: music made with Pd
Performance using Pd:
Cheers
Eduardo
Eduardo Patrício http://www.eduardopatricio.com.br (41) 8434-0480
*De:* Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca *Para:* olsen sesselastronaut@googlemail.com *Cc:* Eduardo Patricio epatricio@yahoo.com; pd-list pd-list@iem.at *Enviadas:* Quarta-feira, 7 de Julho de 2010 11:50:02 *Assunto:* Re: [PD] Res: Res: music made with Pd
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, olsen wrote:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg (really.)
like that! though the tracks are nice too - thanks for sharing man!
Here's for you guys, a more detailed view of the score :
http://artengine.ca/matju/musique/gamelan_binomial.png
though in reality, this is a kind of « pre-score », as the data still needs to be transformed a bit. For example, this picture does not talk about the scale being used, and it also does not represent the way that notes are omitted.
And then, the actual used part of the score was originally a small square in the top left... or a long strip of the same width in the case of « version trois ».
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
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Thank you, Mathieu, for let us understand a little more of your piece.
About this main point, variating and delineating a structure for the audience to
follow, I'd certainly work with the pitches. But since you're working with this
algorithmic structure... maybe the background rhythm could evolve somehow,
creating different rhythmic coincidences...
To me one of the difficulties in using algorithmic structures is that frequently my aesthetic goals are supplanted by them. :)
I'll be waiting to hear more tunes from you
Eduardo
"I also miss the original non-chorus sound, so, I'm wondering whether I could use both at once. It's very similar to trying to use a 6-string guitar and a 12-string guitar at once while not being able to choose between the two. I suppose that this is what originally led people to want two-neck guitars... ;)"
hehehehe
In the previous version the timbre is more clear, bright and detached from the drumming background, I like that.
Well, there are several differences that I didn't state, perhaps some that I don't remember. I messed around with the instrument itself in ways I just don't remember, that changed the sharpness of the sound. Also, the doubling of the bells itself changes the sharpness of the sound, because of the various cancellations it causes (tremolo by battements).
And then I changed the drumming background somewhat, because it sounded too random. There's a probabilistic effect that causes the "bass drum" impression to be unusually loud in a random way, and too often way too quiet. So I turned off the noisificator in the case of the drums, but I still use it in the bells.
Maybe you could find a way to explore both, low and high pitches,
At this point, you know, each version of the piece spans over four octaves. Thus the difference between the two versions, which is only one octave, seems not very significant in comparison. But it ends up sounding quite different, perhaps most importantly because there's a very strong «home pitch» in this piece, that you keep on hearing all of the time.
creating variation. In general, I believe that if you could do this, variation, connected to some sort of underneath developing formal structure (which means you could say, my music goes from here to somewhere else, tracing lines...), this tune would be even better.
I'm still wondering about this one, but it's probably because I haven't tried much yet in that direction. But if I start messing with the pitches more, it may hide the underlying structure too much, quite easily, so I have to be careful.
One element you could try to vary could be the selected pitches. What is your present criteria for the pitches?
Binary coding mapped to subsets of a certain set of intervals, each of which is then summed. I tried a few different base sets, then settled for something that would give pentatonics and octave patterns.
Maybe you could use different sets of them, each one with strong intervallic characteristics, for different "sections" of your tune...
It would de-emphasise the fact that all the measures are connected by a magic pattern that constantly refers to parts of itself throughout the piece. It's a kind of fractal score, almost.
Actually, part of the score appeared as a stock photo in a newspaper recently, which I saw on the same day you wrote that mail :
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/569x379/201006/12/178123.jpg
(really.)
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801