I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Interesting-- I've never seen something like that where proprietary software that costs money is a requirement for entry.
Let's just call it stupidity and move on.
-Jonathan
From: servando barreiro servandisco@yahoo.es To: "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Le 2012-01-03 à 11:47:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Interesting-- I've never seen something like that where proprietary software that costs money is a requirement for entry. Let's just call it stupidity and move on.
Well, it would be fine if it just had MAX in the name of the contest : then it wouldn't sound like it's meant to be about a programme in particular.
Similarly, the calls for PureData Convention are restricted to works involving PureData, but everybody expects it to be that way.
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
Le 2012-01-03 à 17:27:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
Well, it would be fine if it just had MAX in the name of the contest : then it wouldn't sound like it's meant to be about a programme in particular.
Heh, I forgot a « not » somewhere near the end...
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
From Sanlist (sonic arts network)
alex alex@slab.org 18:42 (15 hours ago)
to *coloursofnoise*, Sanlist So you want genuine, respectable composers to produce new pieces for a specific situation, for an open competition with apparently no extrinsic reward, using expensive software (with excellent free alternatives explicitly excluded with no explanation)? Great satire!
:)
Julian
On 4 January 2012 01:41, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Le 2012-01-03 à 17:27:00, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
Well, it would be fine if it just had MAX in the name of the contest :
then it wouldn't sound like it's meant to be about a programme in particular.
Heh, I forgot a « not » somewhere near the end...
______________________________**______________________________** __________ | Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
On 1/4/12, Julian Brooks jbeezez@gmail.com wrote:
From Sanlist (sonic arts network)
alex alex@slab.org 18:42 (15 hours ago)
to *coloursofnoise*, Sanlist So you want genuine, respectable composers to produce new pieces for a specific situation, for an open competition with apparently no extrinsic reward, using expensive software (with excellent free alternatives explicitly excluded with no explanation)? Great satire!
I'm usually in favor of sarcasm in order to cope with the world. You don't like it, fine! Make your own call for works:
"Music for suckers"
"Because suckers pay for software or aren't talented enough to write what they want to use."
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :Â
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSPÂ or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
woow I can't believe this!!
it is a clear message against piksel (used to be part of BEK) & free
software, specifically against some of the most creative ones!!!
totally absurd, call for boycott!! or use pd~ object in max as miller said :-D
cheers
julien
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using
Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure
Data or SuperCollider)."here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Had to visit the link to see what it was all about... it´s easy to just have some fast opinion on things... and the first impression I had was that this was something BEK (in Norway) arranges, but it´s a call made on their blog from Milan/Rome for something happening in Italy. http://usoproject.blogspot.com/ . But I agree totally that it´s absurd about that call on the Max / Pd choice. And thoughtless of BEK to post it like that. Here is btw another call about a Pd workshop BEK held back in 2005. http://www.bek.no/projects/35-visiblesoundaudibleimage?locale=en but that was 7 years ago...
But might be something inter-institutional too between BEK and Pixsel
In a way it would be cool to just send back this e-mail exchanges to the call-makers? - so they see how stupid this call is - and anti-productive.
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM, APO33 info@apo33.org wrote:
woow I can't believe this!!
it is a clear message against piksel (used to be part of BEK) & free software, specifically against some of the most creative ones!!!
totally absurd, call for boycott!! or use pd~ object in max as miller said :-D
cheers
julien
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
-- APO33 space of research and experimentation http://www.apo33.org info@apo33.org
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Sounds like someone got a new kyma system...
-----Original Message----- From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Björn Eriksson Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 4:46 PM To: Pd - list Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Had to visit the link to see what it was all about... it´s easy to just have some fast opinion on things... and the first impression I had was that this was something BEK (in Norway) arranges, but it´s a call made on their blog from Milan/Rome for something happening in Italy. http://usoproject.blogspot.com/ . But I agree totally that it´s absurd about that call on the Max / Pd choice. And thoughtless of BEK to post it like that. Here is btw another call about a Pd workshop BEK held back in 2005. http://www.bek.no/projects/35-visiblesoundaudibleimage?locale=en but that was 7 years ago...
But might be something inter-institutional too between BEK and Pixsel
In a way it would be cool to just send back this e-mail exchanges to the call-makers? - so they see how stupid this call is - and anti-productive.
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM, APO33 info@apo33.org wrote:
woow I can't believe this!!
it is a clear message against piksel (used to be part of BEK) & free software, specifically against some of the most creative ones!!!
totally absurd, call for boycott!! or use pd~ object in max as miller said :-D
cheers
julien
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?local e=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
-- APO33 space of research and experimentation http://www.apo33.org info@apo33.org
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Le 2012-01-03 à 21:47:00, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
Here is btw another call about a Pd workshop BEK held back in 2005. http://www.bek.no/projects/35-visiblesoundaudibleimage?locale=en but that was 7 years ago...
So, why don't you give more recent examples, to show some kind of continuity ? I know that in seven years, there can be a lot of change of personnel (and thus mentality) in an art centre... I mean, from my own personal experience (5200 km away from BEK).
Also, preferably, something with more hours... that's 25 hours, probably minus food time, let's say 20 hours. That's better than most workshops, but there have been significantly longer ones.
In a way it would be cool to just send back this e-mail exchanges to the call-makers? - so they see how stupid this call is - and anti-productive.
Is it stupid or is it just a generous rebate plan from two software companies ? Just an honest question, no insinuations.
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
Hey Björn, you right on that one! mea culpa :-)
cheers
Julien
call made on their blog from Milan/Rome for something happening in Italy. http://usoproject.blogspot.com/ .
All the best, Björn Eriksson
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM, APO33 info@apo33.org wrote:
woow I can't believe this!!
it is a clear message against piksel (used to be part of BEK) & free software, specifically against some of the most creative ones!!!
totally absurd, call for boycott!! or use pd~ object in max as miller said :-D
cheers
julien
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
-- APO33 space of research and experimentation http://www.apo33.org info@apo33.org
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
I thought it would be easiest to ask the guys behind the submission address (submissions@synesthesiarecordings.com). Not that i got a real answer. If you have an idea how to follow up, I'm interested.
Andras
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Federico Placidi federico.placidi@gmail.com Date: 2012/1/3 Subject: Re: Sonic Screens - why no pd/sc? To: András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Many thanks for your interest in our call,
About PD and SC there is no specific reason,
It is just an internal policy.
Many thanks,
Federico Placidi, Matteo Milani
2012/1/3 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Hello,
I'd like to know why PureData and SuperCollider based projects are excluded from the contest.
Thanks,
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
So apparently there are reasons but they forgot what they were?
2012/1/3 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
I thought it would be easiest to ask the guys behind the submission address (submissions@synesthesiarecordings.com). Not that i got a real answer. If you have an idea how to follow up, I'm interested.
Andras
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Federico Placidi federico.placidi@gmail.com Date: 2012/1/3 Subject: Re: Sonic Screens - why no pd/sc? To: András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Many thanks for your interest in our call,
About PD and SC there is no specific reason,
It is just an internal policy.
Many thanks,
Federico Placidi, Matteo Milani
2012/1/3 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Hello,
I'd like to know why PureData and SuperCollider based projects are excluded from the contest.
Thanks,
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
just laughing of when j. defended bek ...
oh how we laughed at awkwardness and inability... those who followed the thread will get it
and happy new gear, you technomological people, me i don't give a shit
sevy
alex wrote:
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
So apparently there are reasons but they forgot what they were?
2012/1/3 András Murányimuranyia@gmail.com:
I thought it would be easiest to ask the guys behind the submission address (submissions@synesthesiarecordings.com). Not that i got a real answer. If you have an idea how to follow up, I'm interested.
Andras
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Federico Placidifederico.placidi@gmail.com Date: 2012/1/3 Subject: Re: Sonic Screens - why no pd/sc? To: András Murányimuranyia@gmail.com
Many thanks for your interest in our call,
About PD and SC there is no specific reason,
It is just an internal policy.
Many thanks,
Federico Placidi, Matteo Milani
2012/1/3 András Murányimuranyia@gmail.com
Hello,
I'd like to know why PureData and SuperCollider based projects are excluded from the contest.
Thanks,
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
----- Original Message -----
From: alex alex@lurk.org To: András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com Cc: Pd - list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
I wonder what software would be good for quickly prototyping a solution to whatever technical problem prevents the use of Pd and Supercollider in a realtime DSP performance...
-Jonathan
So apparently there are reasons but they forgot what they were?
2012/1/3 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com:
I thought it would be easiest to ask the guys behind the submission address (submissions@synesthesiarecordings.com). Not that i got a real answer. If you have an idea how to follow up, I'm interested.
Andras
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Federico Placidi federico.placidi@gmail.com Date: 2012/1/3 Subject: Re: Sonic Screens - why no pd/sc? To: András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Many thanks for your interest in our call,
About PD and SC there is no specific reason,
It is just an internal policy.
Many thanks,
Federico Placidi, Matteo Milani
2012/1/3 András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com
Hello,
I'd like to know why PureData and SuperCollider based projects are excluded from the contest.
Thanks,
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
2012/1/6 Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com:
----- Original Message -----
From: alex alex@lurk.org To: András Murányi muranyia@gmail.com Cc: Pd - list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
I wonder what software would be good for quickly prototyping a solution to whatever technical problem prevents the use of Pd and Supercollider in a realtime DSP performance...
lack of tech support phone numbers?
Maybe they think they won't be able to set up the patches for their review process and so opted only to accept patches for performances they think they are confidently able to. Otherwise, the technical issues are between their ears--or in IT support speak, between the chair and keyboard (BTCK).
On 06/01/12 23:11, Charles Henry wrote:
2012/1/6 Jonathan Wilkesjancsika@yahoo.com:
----- Original Message -----
From: alexalex@lurk.org To: András Murányimuranyia@gmail.com Cc: Pd - listpd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
I wonder what software would be good for quickly prototyping a solution to whatever technical problem prevents the use of Pd and Supercollider in a realtime DSP performance...
lack of tech support phone numbers?
Maybe they think they won't be able to set up the patches for their review process and so opted only to accept patches for performances they think they are confidently able to. Otherwise, the technical issues are between their ears--or in IT support speak, between the chair and keyboard (BTCK).
I think they (and the panel) simply have no clue on how to use Pd or Supercollider. While I understand that I think it's no excuse, at least for Pd they could ask people to send "self-contained" patches with instructions, I mean the patch could be very complicated but have just a big bang a big toggle and some markers/counters for the performers.
That said -- I notice that on the previously sent link the http://usoproject.blogspot.com/2011/12/call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012.htm... mention to Pd and/or Supercollider seems to have been removed.
Lorenzo.
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
De: "alex" alex@lurk.org Envoyé: Mercredi 4 Janvier 2012 01:12:14
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
So apparently there are reasons but they forgot what they were?
They spent all the budget to get softwares, now there isn't enough to give out free beer... ^^
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Patrice Colet colet.patrice@free.fr wrote:
De: "alex" alex@lurk.org Envoyé: Mercredi 4 Janvier 2012 01:12:14
Ha, I got a different reply earlier:
"We decied to avoid the use of Pd and SuperCollider for internal and technical resons and unfortunately we cannot change our policy. So please, if you are interested in the call, please send a more pertinent question."
So apparently there are reasons but they forgot what they were?
They spent all the budget to get softwares, now there isn't enough to give out free beer... ^^
Lousy excuse. Please submit patches for "music for suckers", and I will gladly provide all the free beer I'm able to make XD
I'm only serious about the beer. My next brew will be an ESB!
xa!
happy new year, you know revolution is behind, behind what ? una esquina maybe ....
what revolution with open source when people wants the same productivity hey? productivity? that's what we should hate...
we'll talk of it again over a beer, compa .. i meant it.
shuvy
xä wrote:
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckettemsp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
2012/1/4 ydegoyon@gmail.com ydegoyon@gmail.com:
xa!
happy new year, you know revolution is behind, behind what ? una esquina maybe ....
ou yeah shuvy...its around the corner :P
what revolution with open source when people wants the same productivity hey? productivity? that's what we should hate...
OC not only with opensource but it helps ...and productwhat? suppose depends on the scale of time ur refering to
we'll talk of it again over a beer, compa .. i meant it.
yeah sure..better with a beer :) for example tomorrow noon from 18.00 at hangar... useroselektor + live los ganglios (digi-punk)
salut and hAbby new gear xà!
shuvy
xä wrote:
in my opinion conciously or unconciously, one of the most counterrevolutionary call4 ive seen in the last times
salut x!
2012/1/3 Miller Puckettemsp@ucsd.edu:
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
ola,
yeah sure..better with a beer :) for example tomorrow noon from 18.00 at hangar... useroselektor + live los ganglios (digi-punk)
yeh allright, will check it although digi punk went to that too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBVkjr4kRU
hum it was better in 1995 i guess : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbYY2uNoEos
salut and hAbby new gear
handy new gear
xà !
----- Original Message -----
From: Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu To: servando barreiro servandisco@yahoo.es Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Ha! I forgot that [pd~] works in Max.
That would be _really_ funny if a Pd'er snuck into this like that!
-Jonathan
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using
Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Le 2012-01-03 à 13:05:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Ha! I forgot that [pd~] works in Max. That would be _really_ funny if a Pd'er snuck into this like that!
Don't you think that the way the rules are stated, using [pd~] in MAX would also be forbidden ?
What's not clear in the following text ?
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
I don't think you're follow the intention. The intention of using [pd~] in Max would be to subvert the intentions of the organisers, because their policy is exclusive for no apparent reason. At least that is my take on it.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Le 2012-01-03 à 13:05:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Ha! I forgot that [pd~] works in Max.
That would be _really_ funny if a Pd'er snuck into this like that!
Don't you think that the way the rules are stated, using [pd~] in MAX would also be forbidden ?
What's not clear in the following text ?
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using
Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
______________________________**______________________________** __________ | Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Exactly. You'd essentially write the same patch twice-- once completely in Max, and if it gets accepted then with Pd and wrap it in a [pd~] object.
OR:
In fact you could just work with the subset of objects that are exactly the same between the two environments: [cos~] [phasor~] [biquad~] and so on.
Then just make sure you don't have whitespace inside [expr] or [expr~], and you could really just write the whole thing once in Pd, submit it as a Max patch, and perform it as a Pd patch.
That would be the most effective way to show the idiocy of the way the call was written.
-Jonathan
From: Richie Cyngler glitchpop@gmail.com To: Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com; servando barreiro servandisco@yahoo.es; Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu; "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd??
I don't think you're follow the intention. The intention of using [pd~] in Max would be to subvert the intentions of the organisers, because their policy is exclusive for no apparent reason. At least that is my take on it.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Le 2012-01-03 à 13:05:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Ha! I forgot that [pd~] works in Max.
That would be _really_ funny if a Pd'er snuck into this like that!
Don't you think that the way the rules are stated, using [pd~] in MAX would also be forbidden ?
What's not clear in the following text ?
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using
Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
______________________________________________________________________ | Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
-- Richie
Le 2012-01-04 à 09:55:00, Richie Cyngler a écrit :
I don't think you're follow the intention. The intention of using [pd~] in Max would be to subvert the intentions of the organisers, because their policy is exclusive for no apparent reason. At least that is my take on it.
I don't think that you're able to read the following sentence :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
Using [pd~] requires a pd patch. They will not accept pd patches.
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC
Actually I'd love to collaborate on a submission for this with someone. But we'd have to be crafty because you have to submit your patch to them.
-Jonathan
----- Original Message -----
From: Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu To: servando barreiro servandisco@yahoo.es Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
Ugly.
I'd suggest using Max and the pd~ object :)
Miller
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:29:42PM +0000, servando barreiro wrote:
I just readed this :
"The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using
Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
here: http://www.bek.no/posts/243-call-for-works-sonic-screens-2012?locale=en
bad thing...
S
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Le 2012-01-03 à 18:29:00, servando barreiro a écrit :
I just readed this : "The electronic processing must be developed and implemented using Max/MSP or Kyma. (we will not accept patches developed in Pure Data or SuperCollider)."
I wrote to inquire about it and I got told : « there is no specific reason, it is just an internal policy. »
But I say that an internal policy is there for a specific reason.
| Mathieu BOUCHARD ----- téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 ----- Montréal, QC