-----Original Message----- From: Marc Lavallée [mailto:odradek@videotron.ca] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:37 PM To: 'pd-list' Subject: RE: [PD] PD usability

So for me, a "better" PD would have been cool. I won't accept such a job unless artists agrees to change their tools and their attitude toward technology. But we need to help them a little bit, or I might never work with them again.

Zoinks, Obviously I wasn't there, but this sounds more to me like a lack of 'educating' the end user as to what the options are, and how if you choose option 'a (max)' you may miss out on important things like being able to afford lab time.

Marc, Don't give up hope. There are plenty of experienced artists out there who are more than willing to get our hands dirty. I often go back and forth about this issue. There are times where I just want to get a track done, and I don't want to spend the effort creating an environment (abstraction in this case) that would allow me to do it. I want the immediate return. But I also have enough experience to know that if I put the time up front to really bang on something I will get months (if not years in some cases) of positive return for it.

I don't want this thread turning into an artist v. programmer thread. The one thing that has always impressed me the most about the PD community is the fact that almost every site I go to, to download an external, has music on it created by the people who wrote the external. This is priceless. Having done visual art now in the game industry for over 8 years I have come to truly appreciate the Engineer who has a sense of visual flair, and is willing to get his/her hands dirty doing 'art', just like I know my understanding of technology (and limited coding/scripting skills) has made many an engineer smile. m.