Hello,
I have Redhat in my laptop (Thinkpad R51), but so far had - almost - only bad experiences. My teacher tried to install planet ccrma, jack and other of the more recent programs, but it is much harder as one expects (and he is an expert). I am seriously thinking about changing to suse, that besides it is much "nicer" in general, I know it is designed for my computer. I looked in the archives, but could find no satisfatory answer: would there be a reason not to do this change? (I don't mind building the programs, sometimes the rpms remind me of windows' automatic install) although it isn't possible to install ccrma in suse (?), there are also low-latency kernels, or other ways to get a satisfactory result with live-audio. (I have the rme pcmcia interface + multiface combo)
Greetings,
João Miguel Pais
Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmp@arcor.de
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:28:48 +0100, jmmmp jmmmpl@netcabo.pt wrote:
I am seriously thinking about changing to suse
did you consider using debian? i am running debian sarge (the testing branch) with a 2.6 and have had only good experience - so far i installed pd as well as jack, audacity, spiral modular, rosegarden, ardour and some other music software, all from the super easy-to-use apt archives (much easier than installing rpm packages). i also know that there's an audio derivative of debian called demudi, which may be even better (but i haven't tried it).
debian has a bit of a pr problem - because of being a grassroots effort many people (including myself, until recently) assume that it will be harder to install and administrate than commercial products like red-hat or suse. but in fact it is a much easier os to admin, and it has a huge precompiled software library.
tom
What about Ubuntu? There are some fantastic Pd packages for debian, and I'm pretty sure Ubuntu takes that and adds an installation and ease-of-use to rival Suse, Redhat, and anyone else. Plus, apt is a better package manager than most out there, except emerge and arch-linux's, imho.
2 cents.
-ian
jmmmp wrote:
Hello,
I have Redhat in my laptop (Thinkpad R51), but so far had - almost - only bad experiences. My teacher tried to install planet ccrma, jack and other of the more recent programs, but it is much harder as one expects (and he is an expert). I am seriously thinking about changing to suse, that besides it is much "nicer" in general, I know it is designed for my computer. I looked in the archives, but could find no satisfatory answer: would there be a reason not to do this change? (I don't mind building the programs, sometimes the rpms remind me of windows' automatic install) although it isn't possible to install ccrma in suse (?), there are also low-latency kernels, or other ways to get a satisfactory result with live-audio. (I have the rme pcmcia interface + multiface combo)
Greetings,
João Miguel Pais
Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmp@arcor.de
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On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:43:52PM -0800, Ian Smith-Heisters wrote:
What about Ubuntu? There are some fantastic Pd packages for debian, and I'm pretty sure Ubuntu takes that and adds an installation and ease-of-use to rival Suse, Redhat, and anyone else. Plus, apt is a better package manager than most out there, except emerge and arch-linux's, imho.
afaik - Ubuntu takes a "snapshot" of debian-unstable every 6 months. only a few selected apps are updated more often (say Firefox, that sort of thing). whatever audio packages guenter and agnula ppl etc maintain for debian are praobably not on that short-list. plus, it does not have KDE..
chances are, youre going to end up compiling from source anyways, to get a patch or newer version of something that youre interested in. gentoo is the easiest by far for this, since usually you dont even have to get a tarball as an ebuild proably already exists unless the release is 3 seconds old.. for slower machines, debian unstable does not require compiling thigns you dont WANT to compile, but still has lots of niceties like 'make-kpkg' to make things easier...i found it impossible to fix basic things on suse that werent configured right by the automated/GUI tools it included..
I've been using Redhat and Fedora for several years on Thinkpads. They just handed me a new R51 at work to replace my old R31. Of course the first thing I have to do whenever they give me a new laptop is to toss Windows and install Linux. This time, I had limited time as I got the new laptop yesterday and had to return the old one today. So instead of upgrading to Fedora 3 (downloading all the iso's) I decided to put Fedora 2 on because I had it laying around. Fedora and Redhat have always been problematic on these Thinkpads. There's always something that doesn't work or doesn't work as it should. I had my old one running rather well, was using CCRMA's repository, all the necessary software worked but 802.11 was problematic and I couldn't use any power management features because then the mouse pointer would start jumping all over the screen, opening a multitude of windows and just going berserk. So this time, I hoped that IBM had done something different so that a basic Fedora 2 install would just work. No such luck. But I still didn't have time to download all the FC3 iso's so I decided to try Ubuntu (just one iso to download) and it's great. Everything works (well, except I had to download and install some specific stuff for 802.11) and in their apt repository they have PD, jack, externals and all sorts of stuff. True, Ubuntu doesn't come with KDE but you can install it from their apt 'Universe' repository.
Pretty cool distro. I even ordered 15 cd's from them to distribute at work (they pay for shipping and everything, you don't pay a dime). I've been hammering away at it all day and the only problem I've had so far was with Rosegarden4. I think it just needs some extra KDE stuff.
Pall
ix@replic.net wrote:
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:43:52PM -0800, Ian Smith-Heisters wrote:
What about Ubuntu? There are some fantastic Pd packages for debian, and I'm pretty sure Ubuntu takes that and adds an installation and ease-of-use to rival Suse, Redhat, and anyone else. Plus, apt is a better package manager than most out there, except emerge and arch-linux's, imho.
afaik - Ubuntu takes a "snapshot" of debian-unstable every 6 months. only a few selected apps are updated more often (say Firefox, that sort of thing). whatever audio packages guenter and agnula ppl etc maintain for debian are praobably not on that short-list. plus, it does not have KDE..
chances are, youre going to end up compiling from source anyways, to get a patch or newer version of something that youre interested in. gentoo is the easiest by far for this, since usually you dont even have to get a tarball as an ebuild proably already exists unless the release is 3 seconds old.. for slower machines, debian unstable does not require compiling thigns you dont WANT to compile, but still has lots of niceties like 'make-kpkg' to make things easier...i found it impossible to fix basic things on suse that werent configured right by the automated/GUI tools it included..
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ix@replic.net wrote:
afaik - Ubuntu takes a "snapshot" of debian-unstable every 6 months. only a few selected apps are updated more often (say Firefox, that sort of thing). whatever audio packages guenter and agnula ppl etc maintain for debian are praobably not on that short-list. plus, it does not have KDE..
It should be possible to access the debian SID repository from Ubuntu for certain applications, like PD and KDE. Then the main advantage of Ubuntu is probably its installation, which I hear is great (though I've personally had nothing but trouble).
The main gripe I hear about debian is its installation. It can be hairy, but I've personally never had a problem, and its new installer is even better at auto-detection.
Aside from that, the thing that bothers me about debian is the difficulty of making packages, as compared to, say, arch-linux. But it sounds like that's not going to be an issue for João.
...and another 2 cents.
-I
chances are, youre going to end up compiling from source anyways, to get a patch or newer version of something that youre interested in. gentoo is the easiest by far for this, since usually you dont even have to get a tarball as an ebuild proably already exists unless the release is 3 seconds old.. for slower machines, debian unstable does not require compiling thigns you dont WANT to compile, but still has lots of niceties like 'make-kpkg' to make things easier...i found it impossible to fix basic things on suse that werent configured right by the automated/GUI tools it included..
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yup, in Ubuntu, almost all debian packages can be installed (at least for PD, PDP, PiDiP, Gem).
But kernel 2.6.8 can be a problem for some hardwares e.g my Logitech Joystick.
Cheers, SFS
Ian Smith-Heisters wrote:
What about Ubuntu? There are some fantastic Pd packages for debian, and I'm pretty sure Ubuntu takes that and adds an installation and ease-of-use to rival Suse, Redhat, and anyone else. Plus, apt is a better package manager than most out there, except emerge and arch-linux's, imho.
2 cents.
-ian
jmmmp wrote:
Hello,
I have Redhat in my laptop (Thinkpad R51), but so far had - almost - only bad experiences. My teacher tried to install planet ccrma, jack and other of the more recent programs, but it is much harder as one expects (and he is an expert). I am seriously thinking about changing to suse, that besides it is much "nicer" in general, I know it is designed for my computer. I looked in the archives, but could find no satisfatory answer: would there be a reason not to do this change? (I don't mind building the programs, sometimes the rpms remind me of windows' automatic install) although it isn't possible to install ccrma in suse (?), there are also low-latency kernels, or other ways to get a satisfactory result with live-audio. (I have the rme pcmcia interface + multiface combo)
Greetings,
João Miguel Pais
Lugostr. 14 79100 Freiburg i. Br. Deutschland +49 (0)761 7074997 jmmmp@arcor.de
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thanks for the replies. I'm not up to date, and still only know the major names of distributions, so I don't know ubuntu yet. I've seen demudi, but not well enough to know the detailed advantages.
From what I understand, Debian is a very solid package, but my problem is
that I had lost almost all my pacience trying to deal with the installation. I really don't have any more time and will to read a whole manual just to install one program, I would prefer a quicker solution, which would make it possible to do a stable work. I am not an programmer, but I'm also not a novice, and everytime now I try to get away from these installation problems.
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