HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with OsŽs..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldnŽt do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, IŽve been using all the OsŽs and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. ItŽs actually so good that IŽm starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I canŽt understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl)
with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ).
ThereŽs a known bug on it that not just doesnŽt connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug itŽs still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesnŽt matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just donŽt give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware itŽs not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because thereŽs people that doesnŽt care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when IŽm teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldnŽt sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive
and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
.hc
On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of
James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue.
I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell
V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response
from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because
the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on
the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D
support for Gem...James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98,
millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so
I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do
anything w it..years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I
was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one
or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in
real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare,
even a gameboy was fascinating..)Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and
also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity )
started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of
satisfaction & admiration..Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu
10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good
that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you
know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand
that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a
driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl)
with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them,
are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in
making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making
good code...)yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system
(10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect
to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the
router stops working,,,, (???).I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the
system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I
already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved
completely.,.. (???????)This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related
posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don ´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if
your hardware it´s not brand new...).The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but
I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people
that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w
them..)what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb
sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the
people to try a "truly" operative system..many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least
partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as
they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some
years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase
massively.To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers /
contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative
system.
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I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during
that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big
Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler
cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO I will look at kdenlive i guess! :-) thx. ________________________________________ From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [hans@at.or.at] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:07 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: James Dunn; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
.hc
On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don ´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler
I started using Blender's sequence engine a few months back, and as long as you install a version compiled with ffmpeg support, it works nicely. it's a very different environment though.
pros:
- x-platform
- features 3D!
- big community, alive project
cons:
- implies learn very different shortcuts
- file browser not handy
dont know if you can capture anything from within it, but pd/dvgrab does the job for me.
++ OH
Le 22/09/2010 16:16, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO I will look at kdenlive i guess! :-) thx. ________________________________________ From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [hans@at.or.at] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:07 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: James Dunn; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
.hc
On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don ´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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I also used Blender for a video project last year. It was definitely a learning curve but in all it did what I needed.
-martin
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:38 +0200, Olivier Heinry wrote:
I started using Blender's sequence engine a few months back, and as long as you install a version compiled with ffmpeg support, it works nicely. it's a very different environment though.
pros:
- x-platform
- features 3D!
- big community, alive project
cons:
- implies learn very different shortcuts
- file browser not handy
dont know if you can capture anything from within it, but pd/dvgrab does the job for me.
++ OH
Le 22/09/2010 16:16, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO I will look at kdenlive i guess! :-) thx. ________________________________________ From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [hans@at.or.at] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:07 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: James Dunn; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
.hc
On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don ´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller?
I kinda agree. There's still need for a stronger video editor.
<my2cents> In linux I use cinelerra, although I'm a major critic of its interface+learning curve (these are strongly binded) and also crashes and missing features (namely decent export formats,ruler adjusts, and so forth).
Lives is horrific. kdenlive is a bit like cinelerra although with a nicer interface, thus lowering learning curve. I should probably start using it more, since cinelerra is not that good as I want.
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Anyway, that's it video editing software is still a bit behind, but for instance video/codec converting is light years ahead with great tools such as mencoder (it does virtually everything).
Best regards, Pedro
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Martin Eckart imartron@gmail.com wrote:
I also used Blender for a video project last year. It was definitely a learning curve but in all it did what I needed.
-martin
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:38 +0200, Olivier Heinry wrote:
I started using Blender's sequence engine a few months back, and as long as you install a version compiled with ffmpeg support, it works nicely. it's a very different environment though.
pros:
- x-platform
- features 3D!
- big community, alive project
cons:
- implies learn very different shortcuts
- file browser not handy
dont know if you can capture anything from within it, but pd/dvgrab does the job for me.
++ OH
Le 22/09/2010 16:16, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :
cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO I will look at kdenlive i guess! :-) thx. ________________________________________ From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [hans@at.or.at] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:07 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: James Dunn; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
.hc
On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don ´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
cinelerra is basically Bcast2000 redone IMHO I will look at kdenlive i guess! :-) thx. _______________
Can you guys take this to pd-ot please?
On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
How about kdenlive or cinelerra? I've been working a bit with kdelive and it seems pretty straightforward and even usable ;)
.hc
On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
the achilles heel for linux in my opinion is still video editing. I've tried everything from Broadcast2000 to Lives with no luck bueller? ________________________________________ From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of James Dunn [james@4thharmonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:25 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] unix and (bad) companies.
I love linux and ubuntu but the driver support is a bit of an issue. I recently upgraded my mother's computer to 10.04 and now her Dell V505 all-in-one printer doesn't work. I got no (helpful) response from emailing Dell. Secondly on a pd related problem, I am still running 8.04 because the proprietary ATI driver (no longer maintained) will only run on the old version of xorg and the open source driver doesn't have 3D support for Gem...
James
Quoth servando barreiro, on 22/09/10 12:06:
HI there..
I just want to "share" my experiences with Os´s..
I started in the nineties with a windows machine, I tried 95, 98, millenium, nt, xp.... It hanged really frequently (20 times in a day w cad software..) so I assumed that as a normal function state from the machine..
At some point I tried beOS and I found it great but I couldn´t do anything w it..
years later, I discovered that computers with the fruit thing and I was really amazed, not just because of the stabilty (but still one or two hangs per day with os 9.2), also because I could do audio in real-time with them.. (well, coming from that windows nightmare, even a gameboy was fascinating..)
Then I got one.. and until the day, I´ve been using all the Os´s and also tried almost all the hardware that was/is in the market.
My experience with linux (about 4 years ago, ethic/curiosity ) started very slow, but definitely in an ascendent curve of satisfaction & admiration..
Nowadays to code and to travel, I use a small thinkpad with ubuntu 10 and the experience is just fantastic.. It´s actually so good that I´m starting to hate all the mac shits.. Because when you know where linux cames from and who works on it, you can understand that sometimes you have to put energy on your side to look for a driver or whatever (Not the case at all w ubu 10).
What I can´t understand.... Is that this big companies (micr/appl) with hundred or "thousands" of good programmers working for them, are still doing crap... (seems that they are focusing energies in making money & trying to protect his soft/hard instead of making good code...)
yesterday I formatted my mac and I installed the last system (10.6 ). There´s a known bug on it that not just doesn´t connect to internet, it also keeps sending packets to the router until the router stops working,,,, (???).
I had to reset the router from the linux and download one by one the system updates for the mac. This bug is known since 10.6.0, I already have the 10.6.4 and the bug it´s still not solved completely.,.. (???????)
This just shows that It doesn´t matter how many hundreds of related posts you do in the official apple forums & related.. apple just don´t give a shit about the problems of the users.... (specially if your hardware it´s not brand new...).
The ubuntu forums are far more clear and helpful than that,,
About windows, I will not complain anymore... (not neccesary), but I still "understand" people that uses it, because there´s people that doesn´t care about computers (even when they are working w them..)
what I do, when I´m teaching a workshop Is to carry one or two usb sticks with a live distro (pure dyne / openartist ) and invite the people to try a "truly" operative system..
many of my friends, they have switched to Linux (at least partially..) and they are happy w it.. (that makes me happy too..).
If the trajectories of the operative systems evolutions follow as they are already, It wouldn´t sound strange to me that in some years, the amount of linux users (pure or mixed) will increase massively.
To finish, I would just like to thank to all the linux developers / contributors for his hard work to make this incredibly operative system.
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