Welcome to testing nightly builds! It is annoying but it must be
done, otherwise we never have stable builds. Thanks for
contributing! :-D I think only zexy is not working currently. Its
not building right on Windows and Mac OS X 10.5. Everything else
should work, let me know if otherwise.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Hans,
I was able to get [declare -path] to work after a little trial and
error with path name syntax.Now, I'm curious what I need to do to get the externals in zexy (&
maybe other libraries - not sure yet) to work at all. For example,
[date] and [time].It's frustrating, sometimes, being just a guitar player and not a
computer programmer.Thanks again,
-Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:As far as I know, the latency setting in Pd just sets a maximum
buffer size, it doesn't necessarily translate to actual measured
latency. Try a blind test and see if you can tell the difference,
that'll be a much better test.As for the search paths, you are much better of not setting them as
global preferences. Instead, use the standard install locations for
installing things globally:http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help- files
And for paths needed for patches/projects, use [declare -path].
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Okay, I installed the latest version.
Good news: Pd-extended and my soundcard are getting along the way
they used to. this means setting Pd to 14 ms audio latency which is
not great, but I can live with it.Bad news: Pd is not saving the search paths that I add. I can't
remember if earlier versions required clicking a "save these
settings" kind of thing, but I could find no such option in this
version and at any rate it's not saving the paths.Medium news: while I can deal with the 14 ms latency, Pd vanilla
was working at around 2 ms (unless it was lying to me or obscuring
something - I only tried it with testtone) but I still can't figure
out how to get it to load libraries of external dlls. I'm just a
guitar player and not a computer programmer so I'm a little slow at
this stuff, but if you have a suggestion for this option I would
appreciate it.Thanks for all your work!
Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:Lets keep this on the pd-list so that others can participate in the
discussion :)I think Martin Peach committed a fix for the pdlua_setup error
today or last night..hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Marc D. Demers wrote:
Hi .hc,
I was able to get the installer on Windows 7. I was able to get
rid of all the error message by deleting some line in the «path»
and «startup» windows. Mainly, libs that were no more in the pd
extra folder. The only error message I get for the moment is
concerning the pdlua folder (unable to find the symbol of
something like that). I will try to find the bug tonight.Thank's
Marc
From: hans@at.or.at To: PD-list@iem.at Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:57:25 -0400 Subject: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 builds are working again
Ok, after a long time without a decently working Windows build,
I think
we have one that is actually usable. Please give it a try and
let me
know. Here's the zip:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
or the installer:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
.hc
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Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic.
It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and
expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on
terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
I'm more than happy to contribute, but I remember being even happier making music. Anyway, I just copied a compiled version of zexy from an older installation on another computer and that works fine (so far).
But how about this: an abstraction (named wet-dry-mono.pd) in my working directory of patches loads fine in one abstraction but not in another - in the same patch.
The abstraction that loads wet-dry-mono.pd ok is in that working directory. The abstraction that does not load wet-dry-mono.pd ok is in a subdirectory of the working directory, and said subdirectory is loaded using [declare]. Not sure if those details are significant.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
Welcome to testing nightly builds! It is annoying but it must be done, otherwise we never have stable builds. Thanks for contributing! :-D I think only zexy is not working currently. Its not building right on Windows and Mac OS X 10.5. Everything else should work, let me know if otherwise.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Hans,
I was able to get [declare -path] to work after a little trial and error with path name syntax.
Now, I'm curious what I need to do to get the externals in zexy (& maybe other libraries - not sure yet) to work at all. For example, [date] and [time].
It's frustrating, sometimes, being just a guitar player and not a computer programmer.
Thanks again,
-Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
As far as I know, the latency setting in Pd just sets a maximum buffer size, it doesn't necessarily translate to actual measured latency. Try a blind test and see if you can tell the difference, that'll be a much better test.
As for the search paths, you are much better of not setting them as global preferences. Instead, use the standard install locations for installing things globally:
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files
And for paths needed for patches/projects, use [declare -path].
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Okay, I installed the latest version.
Good news: Pd-extended and my soundcard are getting along the way they used to. this means setting Pd to 14 ms audio latency which is not great, but I can live with it.
Bad news: Pd is not saving the search paths that I add. I can't remember if earlier versions required clicking a "save these settings" kind of thing, but I could find no such option in this version and at any rate it's not saving the paths.
Medium news: while I can deal with the 14 ms latency, Pd vanilla was working at around 2 ms (unless it was lying to me or obscuring something - I only tried it with testtone) but I still can't figure out how to get it to load libraries of external dlls. I'm just a guitar player and not a computer programmer so I'm a little slow at this stuff, but if you have a suggestion for this option I would appreciate it.
Thanks for all your work!
Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
Lets keep this on the pd-list so that others can participate in the discussion :)
I think Martin Peach committed a fix for the pdlua_setup error today or last night.
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Marc D. Demers wrote:
Hi .hc,
I was able to get the installer on Windows 7. I was able to get rid of all the error message by deleting some line in the «path» and «startup» windows. Mainly, libs that were no more in the pd extra folder. The only error message I get for the moment is concerning the pdlua folder (unable to find the symbol of something like that). I will try to find the bug tonight.
Thank's
Marc
From: hans@at.or.at To: PD-list@iem.at Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:57:25 -0400 Subject: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 builds are working again
Ok, after a long time without a decently working Windows build, I think we have one that is actually usable. Please give it a try and let me know. Here's the zip:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
or the installer:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
.hc
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Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
The way I work when testing is to think about having everything
running smoothly so when I'm inspired, Pd-extended has as smooth a
workflow as possible. Then when I working on projects using Pd, I
don't hit these annoying issues.
As for your abstraction, could you post it here so I can test with
it? Its hard to know what's going on just by a description.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
I'm more than happy to contribute, but I remember being even happier
making music. Anyway, I just copied a compiled version of zexy from
an older installation on another computer and that works fine (so
far).But how about this: an abstraction (named wet-dry-mono.pd) in my
working directory of patches loads fine in one abstraction but not
in another - in the same patch.The abstraction that loads wet-dry-mono.pd ok is in that working
directory. The abstraction that does not load wet-dry-mono.pd ok is
in a subdirectory of the working directory, and said subdirectory is
loaded using [declare]. Not sure if those details are significant.On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
wrote:Welcome to testing nightly builds! It is annoying but it must be
done, otherwise we never have stable builds. Thanks for
contributing! :-D I think only zexy is not working currently. Its
not building right on Windows and Mac OS X 10.5. Everything else
should work, let me know if otherwise..hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Hans,
I was able to get [declare -path] to work after a little trial and
error with path name syntax.Now, I'm curious what I need to do to get the externals in zexy (&
maybe other libraries - not sure yet) to work at all. For example,
[date] and [time].It's frustrating, sometimes, being just a guitar player and not a
computer programmer.Thanks again,
-Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
As far as I know, the latency setting in Pd just sets a maximum
buffer size, it doesn't necessarily translate to actual measured
latency. Try a blind test and see if you can tell the difference,
that'll be a much better test.As for the search paths, you are much better of not setting them
as global preferences. Instead, use the standard install
locations for installing things globally:http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files
And for paths needed for patches/projects, use [declare -path].
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Okay, I installed the latest version.
Good news: Pd-extended and my soundcard are getting along the way
they used to. this means setting Pd to 14 ms audio latency which
is not great, but I can live with it.Bad news: Pd is not saving the search paths that I add. I can't
remember if earlier versions required clicking a "save these
settings" kind of thing, but I could find no such option in this
version and at any rate it's not saving the paths.Medium news: while I can deal with the 14 ms latency, Pd vanilla
was working at around 2 ms (unless it was lying to me or
obscuring something - I only tried it with testtone) but I still
can't figure out how to get it to load libraries of external
dlls. I'm just a guitar player and not a computer programmer so
I'm a little slow at this stuff, but if you have a suggestion for
this option I would appreciate it.Thanks for all your work!
Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
Lets keep this on the pd-list so that others can participate in
the discussion :)I think Martin Peach committed a fix for the pdlua_setup error
today or last night..hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Marc D. Demers wrote:
Hi .hc,
I was able to get the installer on Windows 7. I was able to get
rid of all the error message by deleting some line in the «path»
and «startup» windows. Mainly, libs that were no more in the pd
extra folder. The only error message I get for the moment is
concerning the pdlua folder (unable to find the symbol of
something like that). I will try to find the bug tonight.Thank's
Marc
From: hans@at.or.at To: PD-list@iem.at Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:57:25 -0400 Subject: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 builds are working again
Ok, after a long time without a decently working Windows
build, I think
we have one that is actually usable. Please give it a try and
let me
know. Here's the zip:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
or the installer:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
.hc
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-- www.joenewlin.net www.twitter.com/joe_newlin
Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic.
It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and
expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war
on terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from
scarcity." -John Gilmore
Here is an example of what I meant. Also, I included a bonus screenshot of the 'open' dialog.
Thanks,
JN
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
The way I work when testing is to think about having everything running smoothly so when I'm inspired, Pd-extended has as smooth a workflow as possible. Then when I working on projects using Pd, I don't hit these annoying issues.
As for your abstraction, could you post it here so I can test with it? Its hard to know what's going on just by a description.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
I'm more than happy to contribute, but I remember being even happier making music. Anyway, I just copied a compiled version of zexy from an older installation on another computer and that works fine (so far).
But how about this: an abstraction (named wet-dry-mono.pd) in my working directory of patches loads fine in one abstraction but not in another - in the same patch.
The abstraction that loads wet-dry-mono.pd ok is in that working directory. The abstraction that does not load wet-dry-mono.pd ok is in a subdirectory of the working directory, and said subdirectory is loaded using [declare]. Not sure if those details are significant.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
Welcome to testing nightly builds! It is annoying but it must be done, otherwise we never have stable builds. Thanks for contributing! :-D I think only zexy is not working currently. Its not building right on Windows and Mac OS X 10.5. Everything else should work, let me know if otherwise.
.hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Hans,
I was able to get [declare -path] to work after a little trial and error with path name syntax.
Now, I'm curious what I need to do to get the externals in zexy (& maybe other libraries - not sure yet) to work at all. For example, [date] and [time].
It's frustrating, sometimes, being just a guitar player and not a computer programmer.
Thanks again,
-Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner < hans@at.or.at hans@at.or.at> wrote:
As far as I know, the latency setting in Pd just sets a maximum buffer size, it doesn't necessarily translate to actual measured latency. Try a blind test and see if you can tell the difference, that'll be a much better test.
As for the search paths, you are much better of not setting them as global preferences. Instead, use the standard install locations for installing things globally:
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files
And for paths needed for patches/projects, use [declare -path].
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Okay, I installed the latest version.
Good news: Pd-extended and my soundcard are getting along the way they used to. this means setting Pd to 14 ms audio latency which is not great, but I can live with it.
Bad news: Pd is not saving the search paths that I add. I can't remember if earlier versions required clicking a "save these settings" kind of thing, but I could find no such option in this version and at any rate it's not saving the paths.
Medium news: while I can deal with the 14 ms latency, Pd vanilla was working at around 2 ms (unless it was lying to me or obscuring something - I only tried it with testtone) but I still can't figure out how to get it to load libraries of external dlls. I'm just a guitar player and not a computer programmer so I'm a little slow at this stuff, but if you have a suggestion for this option I would appreciate it.
Thanks for all your work!
Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner < hans@at.or.at hans@at.or.at> wrote:
Lets keep this on the pd-list so that others can participate in the discussion :)
I think Martin Peach committed a fix for the pdlua_setup error today or last night.
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Marc D. Demers wrote:
Hi .hc,
I was able to get the installer on Windows 7. I was able to get rid of all the error message by deleting some line in the «path» and «startup» windows. Mainly, libs that were no more in the pd extra folder. The only error message I get for the moment is concerning the pdlua folder (unable to find the symbol of something like that). I will try to find the bug tonight.
Thank's
Marc
From: hans@at.or.athans@at.or.at To: PD-list@iem.atPD-list@iem.at Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:57:25 -0400 Subject: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 builds are working again
Ok, after a long time without a decently working Windows build, I think we have one that is actually usable. Please give it a try and let me know. Here's the zip:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsxp-i386.zip
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
or the installer:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx...
.hc
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Hey Joe,
Zexy is back on Windows, so [date] and [time] should work again. As
for [declare -path] I think the way it works best is if you have a
single folder for abstractions, so wet-dry-mono.pd would be in that
folder too. Then you use [declare -path] in the top level patch so
that all of the abstractions inherit it. I attached an example:
.hc
On Oct 6, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Here is an example of what I meant. Also, I included a bonus
screenshot of the 'open' dialog.Thanks,
JN
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:The way I work when testing is to think about having everything
running smoothly so when I'm inspired, Pd-extended has as smooth a
workflow as possible. Then when I working on projects using Pd, I
don't hit these annoying issues.As for your abstraction, could you post it here so I can test with
it? Its hard to know what's going on just by a description..hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
I'm more than happy to contribute, but I remember being even
happier making music. Anyway, I just copied a compiled version of
zexy from an older installation on another computer and that works
fine (so far).But how about this: an abstraction (named wet-dry-mono.pd) in my
working directory of patches loads fine in one abstraction but not
in another - in the same patch.The abstraction that loads wet-dry-mono.pd ok is in that working
directory. The abstraction that does not load wet-dry-mono.pd ok is
in a subdirectory of the working directory, and said subdirectory
is loaded using [declare]. Not sure if those details are significant.On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
wrote:Welcome to testing nightly builds! It is annoying but it must be
done, otherwise we never have stable builds. Thanks for
contributing! :-D I think only zexy is not working currently.
Its not building right on Windows and Mac OS X 10.5. Everything
else should work, let me know if otherwise..hc
On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Hans,
I was able to get [declare -path] to work after a little trial
and error with path name syntax.Now, I'm curious what I need to do to get the externals in zexy
(& maybe other libraries - not sure yet) to work at all. For
example, [date] and [time].It's frustrating, sometimes, being just a guitar player and not a
computer programmer.Thanks again,
-Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
As far as I know, the latency setting in Pd just sets a maximum
buffer size, it doesn't necessarily translate to actual measured
latency. Try a blind test and see if you can tell the
difference, that'll be a much better test.As for the search paths, you are much better of not setting them
as global preferences. Instead, use the standard install
locations for installing things globally:http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files
And for paths needed for patches/projects, use [declare -path].
.hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Joe Newlin wrote:
Okay, I installed the latest version.
Good news: Pd-extended and my soundcard are getting along the
way they used to. this means setting Pd to 14 ms audio latency
which is not great, but I can live with it.Bad news: Pd is not saving the search paths that I add. I can't
remember if earlier versions required clicking a "save these
settings" kind of thing, but I could find no such option in this
version and at any rate it's not saving the paths.Medium news: while I can deal with the 14 ms latency, Pd vanilla
was working at around 2 ms (unless it was lying to me or
obscuring something - I only tried it with testtone) but I still
can't figure out how to get it to load libraries of external
dlls. I'm just a guitar player and not a computer programmer so
I'm a little slow at this stuff, but if you have a suggestion
for this option I would appreciate it.Thanks for all your work!
Joe
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
Lets keep this on the pd-list so that others can participate in
the discussion :)I think Martin Peach committed a fix for the pdlua_setup error
today or last night..hc
On Oct 4, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Marc D. Demers wrote:
Hi .hc,
I was able to get the installer on Windows 7. I was able to get
rid of all the error message by deleting some line in the
«path» and «startup» windows. Mainly, libs that were no more in
the pd extra folder. The only error message I get for the
moment is concerning the pdlua folder (unable to find the
symbol of something like that). I will try to find the bug
tonight.Thank's
Marc
> From: hans@at.or.at > To: PD-list@iem.at > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:57:25 -0400 > Subject: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 builds are working again
> > > Ok, after a long time without a decently working Windows
build, I think > we have one that is actually usable. Please give it a try and
let me > know. Here's the zip: > > http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx... > > or the installer: > > http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsx... > > > .hc > > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a
tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night
attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going
to win the war on terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general,
William Odom
"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from
scarcity." -John Gilmore-- www.joenewlin.net www.twitter.com/joe_newlin
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