From: sebfumaster@aol.com To: rolfm@dds.nl, pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Tcl 8.4 /8.5 on mac-ppc Message-ID: 16361798739-179d-410e@webjas-vad222.srv.aolmail.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I don't know the specifics but you could use the ox-app.sh script in the mac directory of the the source tree after building pd. e.g. osx-app.sh --tk 8.5.19 as the help option -h shows. (so just cd to the /mac directory and run the script)
great hint. very clear explanation what should be possible. however, it didn't work because of problems with SSL certificates, for which i don't have a solution. (the output is at the end of this mail)
@IOhannes
-should it then be necessary/possible to compile Pd with this Tcl 8.5
the good thing is, you don't need to compile Pd with Tcl/Tk *at all*. Wish (the Tcl/Tk interpreter), is a standalone program that is started by Pd and interprets Pd's tcl/tk commands. you should be able to replace the embedded Wish implementation by a newer version.
i had a look at that. the Pd-tree of the 'regular' mac version differs from the ppc one. it has a "frameworks" folder (with Tcl in it) that's not in the ppc one.
furthermore, it's unclear for me what exactly is part of the embedded Wish implementation. i tried replacing the whole tcl folder, to no avail.
btw, you could also consider installing Debian on your ppc to get newer software.
nice try. my cooperation is with other people with old and new macs, for whom Linux is out of the question.
i don't remember the details, but maybe kiosk-plugin doesn't *really* require tcl/tk 8.5 (and just assumes it does). you could try removing the version from kiosk-plugin.tcl:9 (so it only reads
package require Tcl), and see whether it bites back.
i did that already. it bites back.
rolf
OUTPUT
maccie:mac rolfmeesters$ ./osx-app.sh --tk 8.5.19 0.48-1
Using custom 8.5.19 Wish.app
==== Creating Tcl/Tk Wish-8.5.19.app
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time
Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left
Speed
100 345 100 345 0 0 21 0 0:00:16 0:00:15 0:00:01
0
curl: (60) SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK.
Details:
error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate
verify failed
More details here: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html
curl performs SSL certificate verification by default, using a "bundle" of Certificate Authority (CA) public keys (CA certs). The default bundle is named curl-ca-bundle.crt; you can specify an alternate file using the --cacert option. If this HTTPS server uses a certificate signed by a CA represented in the bundle, the certificate verification probably failed due to a problem with the certificate (it might be expired, or the name might not match the domain name in the URL). If you'd like to turn off curl's verification of the certificate, use the -k (or --insecure) option.
(i tried the suggestion of 'curl -insecure' but i needs an URL which i don't know)
On 2018-05-15 21:44, rolfm@dds.nl wrote:
i had a look at that. the Pd-tree of the 'regular' mac version differs from the ppc one. it has a "frameworks" folder (with Tcl in it) that's not in the ppc one.
furthermore, it's unclear for me what exactly is part of the embedded Wish implementation. i tried replacing the whole tcl folder, to no avail.
what does it do?
btw, you could also consider installing Debian on your ppc to get newer software.
nice try. my cooperation is with other people with old and new macs, for whom Linux is out of the question.
so they prefer to install new software on an operating system and on hardware that have been actively unsupported by their OS vendor and hardware manufacturer for about 10 years. if you are going to compile Tcl/Tk yourself, let's hope your machine already has xcode installed (because i'm pretty sure that you will not be able to get any software from apple for your platform.)
that's what *i* would call a "nice try" :-)
(i very much applaud the use of old hardware; but if you want to run new software on it, you probably shouldn't
i don't remember the details, but maybe kiosk-plugin doesn't *really* require tcl/tk 8.5 (and just assumes it does). you could try removing the version from kiosk-plugin.tcl:9 (so it only reads
package require Tcl), and see whether it bites back.i did that already. it bites back.
how so? (i cannot really test with 8.4). i guess one could disable a few kiosk-mode features that require tcl8.5 (but then it's probably of little use to
(i tried the suggestion of 'curl -insecure' but i needs an URL which i don't know)
just open the mac/tcltk-wish.sh script, search for "curl" and add the "-insecure" switch to all (two) instances. the alternative is to download the files on another machine an uncomment the lines that try to downloading them on your ppc.
while you are hacking that script, you probably will also want to remove all traces of the 10.6 sdk (or any other versioned sdk). since you are building natively, these shouldn't be needed.
fgmasrd IOhannes
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