András Murányi wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:17 AM, ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com mailto:ydegoyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernardo Barros wrote: 2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard<matju@artengine.ca <mailto:matju@artengine.ca>>: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: "hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever". I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people.... _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list you confuse marijuana with LSD if i can intervene, it was LSD license at that time, for a joke that makes sense then you are all buried deeply in the same system that it's useless to talk, really ciao, sevy
What do you know about us? Why do you take the privilege to offend people on this mailing list? When you go to the supermarket, you yell the same things at people? Or you don't go to the supermaket? You don't pay taxes? You don't have have a driver's license, ID card, social security, you didn't go to school "by the system"? I'm afraid what you call "system" is human civilization, and even if you wish to believe otherwise, you are part of it too. And again, you don't know what we do against or for the "system" so pay more respect and don't offend people you don't know shit about.
Andras
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yeh classical ...
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc .... i'm the one offending the others...
i just say i felt like working in the army ( the US one) when working in the pd community, so yeh i quit it, but i keep my shit available for los companer@s that wants to promote linux ( yeh they are all fascists )
i'm just laughing of your confusion and bye bye, have fun reading wikileaks.
ciao, sevy
Bernardo Barros wrote:
2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard<matju@artengine.ca <mailto:matju@artengine.ca>>: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: "hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever". I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people.... _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
you confuse marijuana with LSD if i can intervene, it was LSD license at that time, for a joke that makes sense
then you are all buried deeply in the same system that it's useless to talk, really
ciao, sevy
What do you know about us? Why do you take the privilege to offend people on this mailing list? When you go to the supermarket, you yell the same things at people? Or you don't go to the supermaket? You don't pay taxes? You don't have have a driver's license, ID card, social security, you didn't go to school "by the system"? I'm afraid what you call "system" is human civilization, and even if you wish to believe otherwise, you are part of it too. And again, you don't know what we do against or for the "system" so pay more respect and don't offend people you don't know shit about.
Andras
Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
yeh classical ...
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc .... i'm the one offending the others...
i just say i felt like working in the army ( the US one) when working in the pd community, so yeh i quit it, but i keep my shit available for los companer@s that wants to promote linux ( yeh they are all fascists )
i'm just laughing of your confusion and bye bye, have fun reading wikileaks.
ciao, sevy
You missed the point by lightyears (again). It was a debate over your _decision_ which is OK. Your software, you can insist on a weird license. Then there is this list and this community which challenged your _decision_ which should be OK too, unless you cannot stand criticism, which seems to be the case. The point of the community was that your license may be understandable, but it is inconvenient. Then you come and start to offend _people_ (WTF you think calling people fascists???), when no one called you anything, no one offended you, it was merely a debate over your _decision_. Got it?
Andras
ala,
Then you come and start to offend _people_ (WTF you think calling people fascists???),
your message is totally non-sense, _i_ was called fascist here for not wanting things to work on windows and not recommending it
so read backwards, and please read before releasing your [more than classic] bullshit
ciao, sevy
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydegoyon@free.fr ydegoyon@gmail.com
wrote:
yeh classical ...
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc .... i'm the one offending the others...
when did this happen exactly? do you have a link?
the only reference I find is at http://tinyurl.com/372ktwu, and in my
interpretation, it was a remark coded in the programming language called
"humour" (notice the emoticon). if you want to read it literally and look
for conflict, that's your choice.
about the "useless shit", I didn't find any reference for that exact
string. the string "useless" has too many results for me to use my time
sorting through these. but strangely, if you read the comments from people
in the last days (after you removed your code from svn), I don't recall
anyone calling it useless. In fact they called your stuff "quite useful"
and "great code" (I'm quoting from memory), including people that you have
no problems attacking and insulting gratuitously. I guess that's why they
still have the pacience to endure your immature rants (disguised as punk
libertarian political remarks), because if your objects weren't of value
to anyone you would be ignored.
if you have so much energy wanting to come out, I would suggest some
sport, or a boxing bag. you should feel better after an intense training.
it's healthier for you, and for us as well.
or keep posting comments, but please with whole sentences, and with
logical (and valid) arguments. everyone would be interested in that, and
something might come out from that.
João Pais
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, João Pais wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydegoyon@free.fr ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc .... i'm the one offending the others...
when did this happen exactly? do you have a link?
When one says «pick your fights» as an advice, it means «choose wisely the fights that are worth fighting», but to Degoyon it means «provoke any fight, any time». To some, adversity is its own reward ; to others, adversity is just a necessary step to reach a goal (and that goal is not «to create adversity»).
or keep posting comments, but please with whole sentences, and with logical (and valid) arguments. everyone would be interested in that, and something might come out from that.
After 8 years of reading Degoyon, that would be something new. It's sad. If only...
| Mathieu Bouchard ---- tél: +1.514.383.3801 ---- Villeray, Montréal, QC
Hi,
the discussion on licensing is quite new to me, hope this question makes any sense...
Just wondering, now that PiDiP does not have a 'free' license, does that mean I could get into trouble if I use [pdp_ctrack] and/or [pdp_mgrid] in patches for potential use in a commercial theatre performance or other kind of installation? What does commercial mean in this regard, is it ok if application of a patch that holds these objects in a performance or installation brings me money?
So would it be better to find an alternative? Or to rewrite it?
For my current purposes, the output of [pdp_ctrack], giving outer coordinates of a specific object, is really nice, because the output is precise and I can have a frame be drawn so I can monitor and calibrate the patch. That's nice! However, if the licensing issue may give trouble, an alternative may be better...
Also wondering if this whole discussion affects puredata_opencv?
Ciao, menno
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, João Pais wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydegoyon@free.fr ydegoyon@gmail.com wrote:
after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc .... i'm the one offending the others...
when did this happen exactly? do you have a link?
When one says «pick your fights» as an advice, it means «choose wisely the fights that are worth fighting», but to Degoyon it means «provoke any fight, any time». To some, adversity is its own reward ; to others, adversity is just a necessary step to reach a goal (and that goal is not «to create adversity»).
or keep posting comments, but please with whole sentences, and with logical (and valid) arguments. everyone would be interested in that, and something might come out from that.
After 8 years of reading Degoyon, that would be something new. It's sad. If only...
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ola,
Just wondering, now that PiDiP does not have a 'free' license, does that mean I could get into trouble if I use [pdp_ctrack] and/or [pdp_mgrid] in patches for potential use in a commercial theatre performance or other kind of installation? What does commercial mean in this regard, is it ok if application of a patch that holds these objects in a performance or installation brings me money?
the fact that cultural workers are paid for their work doesn't mean they work on commercial projects, as they don't make publicity to sell cars, telephones or promote the wine industry of their country right?
let's say commercials is what is interrupting movies on tv, ok? simple enough no?
Also wondering if this whole discussion affects puredata_opencv?
no, the change of license doesn't affect opencv, as only all the authors can decide of it, and although lluis understands why i made the change on _my_ code, he doesn't want to go to that extreme.
i made this because i'm tired of seing some of my code used in bad contexts... that's all.
salut!, sevy
Ciao, menno