Hi,
I'm considering if it would be useful to add a kind of presentation area to pd.org, where (especially impressive) projects done with Pd can be collected. Background is: Pd *is* used in a lot of projects, but there is no central place where someone interested can see examples of work done with Pd and short project descriptions.
Pd often is used invisibly, which might give the false impression, that it's not used at all. Instead some more Pd Public Relations would be very useful for various reasons.
There already are some links to projects on pd.org, e.g. to Ben's Oracle, but I think, having something like this more visible would benefit the whole "Pd scene".
What do you think? How should we handle this? And do you already have some ideas for projects to be added there?
For starters here's my mini list done while browsing my bookmarks:
Robot Rock Band: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~wsack/robotrockband/
Various stuff from la-kitchen.fr (which of these are done with Pd?)
IEM: Speaking Pd piano http://iem.at/services/presse/hoerfest/view
Le Placard http://placard95.dokidoki.fr/
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41
Frank Barknecht wrote:
For starters here's my mini list done while browsing my bookmarks:
and another one:
http://www.asecretservice.org/ - initially made with Pd on Irix, but after a small fire inside the machine migrated to windows ;-)
Olaf
Hi Frank,
This is a really great idea. A pdb of PD projects could be a really interesting research tool and help biginers.
Actually I've always been asked in my PD classes to bring up some examples projects, but it has always been difficult to find them.
I think having everything in one place would be great to attract new users who are having trouble imagining what PD is good for, and would have a much futher reach than we can with PD workshops.
The "especially impressive" part is a little tricky, and tends to point to some kind of juryed collection of works. This could work, but I would think a flat group of peices would be the most accessible. Maybe some kind of pure-data.org voting for projects, or a project of the month being singled out on the front page could be nice... It would be really great to see what other people are doing. I guess a visual, audio and installation (could be both visual and audio or just kinetic) catagory would make sense?
I'm quite fond of Johannes's ANN project.. thought the documentation could be a little better! I'm constantly putting new stuff on my own web-space... (www.ekran.org/ben) everything since 2003 is PD mostely visual performance as of late. Also a few chaps in my University did a very nice peice using an emmersive projection using Gem "Autum in the forest of time" but there seems to have never been a website made!
"Step and Repeat" was a nice simple thing in pd/Gem with the help of the AID group. nice example of sensors with PD. (http://www.ekran.org/ben/Step_And_Repeat/)
I guess one big issue is that projects tend not to get documented very well. So to all the PDers out there document your projects!!!
Would this live on pure-data.info or?
B.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
I'm considering if it would be useful to add a kind of presentation area to pd.org, where (especially impressive) projects done with Pd can be collected. Background is: Pd *is* used in a lot of projects, but there is no central place where someone interested can see examples of work done with Pd and short project descriptions.
Pd often is used invisibly, which might give the false impression, that it's not used at all. Instead some more Pd Public Relations would be very useful for various reasons.
There already are some links to projects on pd.org, e.g. to Ben's Oracle, but I think, having something like this more visible would benefit the whole "Pd scene".
What do you think? How should we handle this? And do you already have some ideas for projects to be added there?
For starters here's my mini list done while browsing my bookmarks:
Robot Rock Band: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~wsack/robotrockband/
Various stuff from la-kitchen.fr (which of these are done with Pd?)
IEM: Speaking Pd piano http://iem.at/services/presse/hoerfest/view
Le Placard http://placard95.dokidoki.fr/
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__ _ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41
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Hallo, B. Bogart hat gesagt: // B. Bogart wrote:
Actually I've always been asked in my PD classes to bring up some examples projects, but it has always been difficult to find them.
I think having everything in one place would be great to attract new users who are having trouble imagining what PD is good for, and would have a much futher reach than we can with PD workshops.
This is exactly what I mean. Another motivation could be: if you're in the Workshop business, a collection of examples of what was done with Pd and it possible with it is very helpful to convince organizations to do a Pd workshop.
The "especially impressive" part is a little tricky, and tends to point to some kind of juryed collection of works.
Well, very true. However I think, such a project DB should not include smaller works like "I did a recording with pd, download it here: http://footils.org/some.ogg"
Or maybe it should include something like this, too, but the larger projects or works should be up front, IMO.
This could work, but I would think a flat group of peices would be the most accessible. Maybe some kind of pure-data.org voting for projects, or a project of the month being singled out on the front page could be nice... It would be really great to see what other people are doing. I guess a visual, audio and installation (could be both visual and audio or just kinetic) catagory would make sense?
Hey, yeah: Ratings done by voting would be a good idea. Only pd.org members then are allowed to rate a project. Probably there already is a Plone module for something like this. [x] needs investigation.
I'm quite fond of Johannes's ANN project.. thought the documentation could be a little better!
I remember something, remember something, ... but no, I forgot: What is ANN again?
I guess one big issue is that projects tend not to get documented very well. So to all the PDers out there document your projects!!!
Would this live on pure-data.info or?
Yes, I think, such a list should be on pd.info/pd.org
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
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Frank Barknecht wrote:
This is exactly what I mean. Another motivation could be: if you're in the Workshop business, a collection of examples of what was done with Pd and it possible with it is very helpful to convince organizations to do a Pd workshop.
Great idea this would certainly be a good selling point for workshops.
Well, very true. However I think, such a project DB should not include smaller works like "I did a recording with pd, download it here: http://footils.org/some.ogg"
Or maybe it should include something like this, too, but the larger projects or works should be up front, IMO.
I understand your rational now. Anything that exists in the PD documentation should probably not be in there!
Hey, yeah: Ratings done by voting would be a good idea. Only pd.org members then are allowed to rate a project. Probably there already is a Plone module for something like this. [x] needs investigation.
Gets rid of the Jury problem and adds another level of community togetherness.
I remember something, remember something, ... but no, I forgot: What is ANN again?
Johannes, I can't find my link for this project, what was it called? The one that you used the artificial nerual network trained by the life's work of a composer?
The "project of the day" could just be a random grab from the top 10 of the voting list of projects.
B.
By the way, "Done with Pd" is a double entendre... maybe "made with Pd" would be a better name.
cheers Miller
On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 10:54:59AM -0500, B. Bogart wrote:
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Frank Barknecht wrote:
This is exactly what I mean. Another motivation could be: if you're in the Workshop business, a collection of examples of what was done with Pd and it possible with it is very helpful to convince organizations to do a Pd workshop.
Great idea this would certainly be a good selling point for workshops.
Well, very true. However I think, such a project DB should not include smaller works like "I did a recording with pd, download it here: http://footils.org/some.ogg"
Or maybe it should include something like this, too, but the larger projects or works should be up front, IMO.
I understand your rational now. Anything that exists in the PD documentation should probably not be in there!
Hey, yeah: Ratings done by voting would be a good idea. Only pd.org members then are allowed to rate a project. Probably there already is a Plone module for something like this. [x] needs investigation.
Gets rid of the Jury problem and adds another level of community togetherness.
I remember something, remember something, ... but no, I forgot: What is ANN again?
Johannes, I can't find my link for this project, what was it called? The one that you used the artificial nerual network trained by the life's work of a composer?
The "project of the day" could just be a random grab from the top 10 of the voting list of projects.
B.
The PD workshop that we are doing in NYC in April will be documented (from my understanding), have its samples put online (patches, mp3s and, possibly video, if we can manage).
The share website has some of this functionality (but it is 'event' centric, not project centric). Ie multimedia uploading, metadata parsing, comments. etc. One of the requests for the website is to make a project area for it.. but we dont have worked out all of the functionality this would have. Im working on the CMS with Hunter universities grad program, and am adding some cool features (the ability to mail /sms to the website media from an event, and have it associated in the DB, and shown on the event pages gallery, etc).
Are there any specific features that are lacking in common CMS systems when used for artists/projects like PD? Im attempting to make this CMS easy to use for artists groups to post events like workshops, performances etc, with galleries, licensed media as attachments, patches, news items, etc.
Eventually the shareCMS will be released GPLed once its a bit more flushed out and the featureset is all pimped out.
Let me know, as im curious what people expect in a CMS... it might give me some good ideas on how to integrate the functionality.
On Mar 24, 2005, at 10:54 AM, B. Bogart wrote:
Comments inline...
Frank Barknecht wrote:
This is exactly what I mean. Another motivation could be: if you're in the Workshop business, a collection of examples of what was done with Pd and it possible with it is very helpful to convince organizations to do a Pd workshop.
Great idea this would certainly be a good selling point for workshops.
Well, very true. However I think, such a project DB should not include smaller works like "I did a recording with pd, download it here: http://footils.org/some.ogg"
Or maybe it should include something like this, too, but the larger projects or works should be up front, IMO.
I understand your rational now. Anything that exists in the PD documentation should probably not be in there!
Hey, yeah: Ratings done by voting would be a good idea. Only pd.org members then are allowed to rate a project. Probably there already is a Plone module for something like this. [x] needs investigation.
Gets rid of the Jury problem and adds another level of community togetherness.
I remember something, remember something, ... but no, I forgot: What is ANN again?
Johannes, I can't find my link for this project, what was it called? The one that you used the artificial nerual network trained by the life's work of a composer?
The "project of the day" could just be a random grab from the top 10 of the voting list of projects.
B.
yes, i really agree. we should also have backwards links, if someone would make a cute little "built with pd" banner image that we could stick on our project pages to link back to the main pd site.
we'd definitely stick one of those on our project pages (http://improbableorchestra.com/ for one)
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
I'm considering if it would be useful to add a kind of presentation area to pd.org, where (especially impressive) projects done with Pd can be collected. Background is: Pd *is* used in a lot of projects, but there is no central place where someone interested can see examples of work done with Pd and short project descriptions.
Pd often is used invisibly, which might give the false impression, that it's not used at all. Instead some more Pd Public Relations would be very useful for various reasons.
There already are some links to projects on pd.org, e.g. to Ben's Oracle, but I think, having something like this more visible would benefit the whole "Pd scene".
What do you think? How should we handle this? And do you already have some ideas for projects to be added there?
For starters here's my mini list done while browsing my bookmarks:
Robot Rock Band: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~wsack/robotrockband/
Various stuff from la-kitchen.fr (which of these are done with Pd?)
IEM: Speaking Pd piano http://iem.at/services/presse/hoerfest/view
Le Placard http://placard95.dokidoki.fr/
Ciao
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Hallo, Josh Steiner hat gesagt: // Josh Steiner wrote:
we'd definitely stick one of those on our project pages (http://improbableorchestra.com/ for one)
Ah, yes, I like idea very much. Sometimes I'm found saying "twist my knobs" in public. ;)
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
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Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Josh Steiner hat gesagt: // Josh Steiner wrote:
we'd definitely stick one of those on our project pages (http://improbableorchestra.com/ for one)
Ah, yes, I like idea very much. Sometimes I'm found saying "twist my knobs" in public. ;)
Ciao
i'm personally fond of the phrase that one of our memebers came up in jest that we ended up using on that flier:
"steer a dancetastic rhythm engine" ... i mean, who wouldnt want to do that?!?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Frank Barknecht wrote:
I'm considering if it would be useful to add a kind of presentation area to pd.org, where (especially impressive) projects done with Pd can be collected.
Say "Made with Pd". Sounds better.
For starters here's my mini list done while browsing my bookmarks:
http://artengine.ca/acastonguay/projets/digitale/index.htm
is made with pd/gridflow, except the original version using jmax/gridflow.
http://artengine.ca/acastonguay/projets/generique/index.html
is made with pd/gridflow, starting with the 2004 edition. (previous versions using jmax/gridflow, except the original one written in C)
There are various other Pd-based installations i've made, but they are not documented online, afaik.
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