Hi all,
I'm researching a possible project that would embed a pd patch into a product. It would basically be a couple of knobs and a 16-bit audio output.
Anyone have any idea what's the cheapest way to do this that's production-scale? i.e. for hundreds of units, not hacked ipods, etc.. I'm looking for something on the order of $25, and ironically, Raspberry π is way, WAY overkill.
Thanks in advance for any clues :) —t3db0t
Hi Tedb0t,
On 16 May 2012, at 01:32, Tedb0t wrote:
There is the Cstick Cotton Candy, but I suspect this is too expensive for your requirements.
http://store.cstick.com/
best,
Jamie
I see that the BeagleBone has had PD running on it, which is awesome, but ideally I'd find something cheaper/simpler still (I know this may be a pipe dream!)
Interesting! I had a discussion about this recently with a friend!
From where did you get this information?
Jo
i have also been interested in this for a while, but i am willing to spend more if it means lower latency,
what's the latency like on these machines?
I've used the beaglebone to play sound files (stereo 44.1kHz) through USB speakers, with python calling aplay. Possibly csound would be easier to compile and use for beaglebone than pd, it's possible to have a completely command-line version.
Martin
I'm also interested in such a machine, even if the latency is
awfully big (read > 100 ms). All i need is on-the-fly (read
"kind-of-real-time) synthesized sound.
Le 16/05/2012 17:37, i go bananas a écrit :
i have also been interested in this for a while, but i
am willing to spend more if it means lower latency,
what's the latency like on these machines?
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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
Its going to be hard to beat the price of the Raspbery π. Why not use it?
.hc
The biggest problem for the near future is availability. One vendor sent an email to say the R-Pi would be shipping soon! and by "soon!" it meant 2 months away.
At this point, if you want 100 of them, that's about 1% of their supply, and I'd expect they're swamped with orders for months to come. It's going to be hard to get very many of them.
My guess: It should work well for the price and specs as long as you can wait 6 or so months.
Chuck
True, but just get your hands on one. Start prototyping and then prepare for the actual mass-production.
The thing is that the RasPi foundation is licensing the design to other vendors that (will) produce the device themselves. Currently everything is still just in a start-up phase. The hype is a bit overblown I guess, but I think it's still a device to look out for.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Charles Henry czhenry@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 01:16:58PM +0200, dreamer wrote:
True, but just get your hands on one. Start prototyping and then prepare for the actual mass-production.
Indeed, it's not just the device but the whole principle going further. There are interesting parallels between the OLPC and R-Pi projects. In some ways the R-Pi roll-out has been a failure for the ideological aims of the foundation. A hype bubble and big show, no doubt for the sake of potential investors, has popularised things too fast. Those who should be able to get hold of them cannot, while despite best efforts there are boards reselling on E-Bay for $100's. Meanwhile dozens of other companies are positioning themselves to produce similar things. Even though people like myself, who just patiently waited, cannot get hold R-Pi boards for my students, or to do workshops and develop educational materials, I have faith that things are going in the right direction and will eventually benefit open education and technology freedom.
The irony of the OLPC project is that it did very little directly towards its goal of providing cheap computing to third world children. What it did do was break the equilibrium and price point of the laptop market that was holding out at >$500 for almost 5 years. I bought all of my EEEPC's for less than $100. They all run Debian or Ubuntu, and I even have spare ones that got lent out to students. They can be considered, semi-disposable commodities now, through which I have spread much interest and curiosity amongst young people about real computing, free software and programming. I would not now pay more than $100 for a computing device and consider what you can buy for that sum as the standard of the "average computing device".
In the same way the R-Pi project is redefining the price and value for open ubiquitous and embedded computing, which I predict as $5 to $10 within the next 2-3 years. It may not itself be a "success". Or achieve the goal of putting a tiny computer into the hands of every student.
So yes, we can start to act, and plan course material, as if it already has. What it will do is break the oligopoly of mobile cellphone manufacturers for the _closed_ mobile, embedded and ubiquitous markets, the alternative to which is still expensive experimental development boards, and absurdly priced things like the pico-ITX which is effectively obsoleted now. Kids will seriously re-engage with computing when they realise it's possible to build their own communication devices for ad hoc texting, running a pocket webserver, or making musical devices. I can see Pd playing a significant part in this.
For a while the richness of convergent technology in the cellphone provided a window of opportunity, but we can breathe a sigh of relief and start seeing cellphones as just phones again, because the age of the commodity mobile general purpose computer is here. And fortunately, let us hope, the future of this platform is going to be OPEN! Three cheers for the R-Pi foundation. This is _much_ bigger than just the technology you see.
Also many schools are moving to ban cellphones. Imagine if responsibility for use of technology could be inculcated through the principles of design and ownership when the school can afford to give everyone a reconfigurable multi-use platform.
It may have further impacts, by decreasing the price while increasing the value of open commodity hardware it can challenge the unimaginable environmental waste of the billions of locked down and useless cellphones manufactured. On this subject I have written a position paper for DIS sceptical of the "mobile music market" as a form of mediated quasi-creativity and the suitability of the cellphone for such uses.
Many of the now desirable R-Pi boards will end up on shelves, in drawers and museums of people who never really had much investment in their potential. They bought one because they were "cool at the time". But by contributing to the hype and creating a real _movement_ the foundation will find fame alongside the early Apple, Sinclair ZX, OLPC, and other catalytic projects.
Andy