hey people!
i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2
i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps.
on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466 https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051
so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it.
any ideas?
hope i was clear enough :)
Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do that? should i modify the noteout source code?
is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data?
thanks again!
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis pmelidis@gmail.comwrote:
hey people!
i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2
i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps.
on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466 https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051
so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it.
any ideas?
hope i was clear enough :)
Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
Martin
On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do that? should i modify the noteout source code?
is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data?
thanks again!
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis <pmelidis@gmail.com mailto:pmelidis@gmail.com> wrote:
hey people! i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2 i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps. on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts; https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466 https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051 so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it. any ideas? hope i was clear enough :) ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
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thanks a lot for your answer martin!
so in that case, is there any way to modify the noteout object in order to add a timestamp? otherwise i should find a way to add the timestamp _after_ the message is sent from noteout, right?
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Peach martin.peach@sympatico.cawrote:
There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
Martin
On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do that? should i modify the noteout source code?
is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data?
thanks again!
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis <pmelidis@gmail.com mailto:pmelidis@gmail.com> wrote:
hey people! i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2 i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps. on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts; https://forum.ableton.com/**viewtopic.php?p=1426466#**p1426466<https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466> https://forum.ableton.com/**viewtopic.php?p=1347051#**p1347051<https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051> so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it. any ideas? hope i was clear enough :) ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com______________________________**_________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
On Die, 2013-01-15 at 15:57 +0100, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
thanks a lot for your answer martin!
so in that case, is there any way to modify the noteout object in order to add a timestamp? otherwise i should find a way to add the timestamp _after_ the message is sent from noteout, right?
From what I know - and probably what Martin meant before - there is no
way to specify a timestamp in MIDI as the MIDI protocol simply has no timestamp defined. When timestamps are involved in your problem, they most likely are not implemented on the MIDI level, but somewhere else.
As there are no timestamps in MIDI, it is unlikely that your problem can be solved by hacking [noteout].
The concept of timestamps in your problem seems specific to the IAC bus you mentioned. In the link you posted I read:
"A hacky workaround would be to route the MIDI bus to an intermediate program that echoes the MIDI packets to another IAC bus but adds timestamps."
Have you tried that? (I must say I don't know anything about IAC bus nor any specifics about MIDI in OS X)
Roman
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Peach martin.peach@sympatico.ca wrote: There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
Martin On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do that? should i modify the noteout source code? is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data? thanks again! ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis <pmelidis@gmail.com <mailto:pmelidis@gmail.com>> wrote: hey people! i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2 i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps. on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts; https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466 https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051 so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it. any ideas? hope i was clear enough :) ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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thanks a lot for your replies!!
for now, i found a solution, which is this little application called MidiPipe http://subtlesoft.square7.net/SubtleSoft/MidiPipe.html, which helps you modify the midi messages, and i just added a sort of 10ms delay, which in turn forces the message to carry the timestamp.
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Die, 2013-01-15 at 15:57 +0100, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
thanks a lot for your answer martin!
so in that case, is there any way to modify the noteout object in order to add a timestamp? otherwise i should find a way to add the timestamp _after_ the message is sent from noteout, right?
From what I know - and probably what Martin meant before - there is no way to specify a timestamp in MIDI as the MIDI protocol simply has no timestamp defined. When timestamps are involved in your problem, they most likely are not implemented on the MIDI level, but somewhere else.
As there are no timestamps in MIDI, it is unlikely that your problem can be solved by hacking [noteout].
The concept of timestamps in your problem seems specific to the IAC bus you mentioned. In the link you posted I read:
"A hacky workaround would be to route the MIDI bus to an intermediate program that echoes the MIDI packets to another IAC bus but adds timestamps."
Have you tried that? (I must say I don't know anything about IAC bus nor any specifics about MIDI in OS X)
Roman
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Peach martin.peach@sympatico.ca wrote: There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
Martin On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do that? should i modify the noteout source code? is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data? thanks again! ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis <pmelidis@gmail.com <mailto:pmelidis@gmail.com>> wrote: hey people! i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2 i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps. on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051
so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it. any ideas? hope i was clear enough :) ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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hello all.
i revive this thread to ask you if there is any way that i can edit a noteout message _after_ it leaves PD, in order to add the desired timestamp. midipipe in the end didn't work, so i am looking for alternatives, to no avail so far.
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Panagiotis Melidis pmelidis@gmail.comwrote:
thanks a lot for your replies!!
for now, i found a solution, which is this little application called MidiPipe http://subtlesoft.square7.net/SubtleSoft/MidiPipe.html, which helps you modify the midi messages, and i just added a sort of 10ms delay, which in turn forces the message to carry the timestamp.
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com wrote:
On Die, 2013-01-15 at 15:57 +0100, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
thanks a lot for your answer martin!
so in that case, is there any way to modify the noteout object in order to add a timestamp? otherwise i should find a way to add the timestamp _after_ the message is sent from noteout, right?
From what I know - and probably what Martin meant before - there is no way to specify a timestamp in MIDI as the MIDI protocol simply has no timestamp defined. When timestamps are involved in your problem, they most likely are not implemented on the MIDI level, but somewhere else.
As there are no timestamps in MIDI, it is unlikely that your problem can be solved by hacking [noteout].
The concept of timestamps in your problem seems specific to the IAC bus you mentioned. In the link you posted I read:
"A hacky workaround would be to route the MIDI bus to an intermediate program that echoes the MIDI packets to another IAC bus but adds timestamps."
Have you tried that? (I must say I don't know anything about IAC bus nor any specifics about MIDI in OS X)
Roman
============= Panagiotis Melidis
http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Peach martin.peach@sympatico.ca wrote: There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
Martin On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do that? should i modify the noteout source code? is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data? thanks again! ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis <pmelidis@gmail.com <mailto:pmelidis@gmail.com>> wrote: hey people! i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2 i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the timestamps. on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051
so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout message but i can't do it. any ideas? hope i was clear enough :) ============= Panagiotis Melidis http://www.larrygus.com http://facebook.com/larrygus http://twitter.com/larrygus http://larrygus.tumblr.com _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On Fre, 2013-02-01 at 02:19 +0100, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
hello all.
i revive this thread to ask you if there is any way that i can edit a noteout message _after_ it leaves PD, in order to add the desired timestamp. midipipe in the end didn't work, so i am looking for alternatives, to no avail so far.
I still think you are looking for the solution at the wrong layer. As far as I understand, Pd's MIDI classes like [noteout] implement the plain MIDI protocol (which - as said before - doesn't know anything about timestamps) and do not take into account specific features of specific MIDI backends on specific OS'. So unless you find someone who is willing to write a specific Pd-MIDI driver for the IAC bus (or whatever the specific MIDI backend is), your better bet is to look for a solution outside of Pd.
Just in case nobody else on this list comes up with a practical solution, make sure to also ask on a forum or ML about "IAC bus" if something like that exists. I'd imagine that Pd is not the only program sending MIDI messages not tagged with a timestamp, though that is just a wild guess.
Roman
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