Also Thomas Grill's [pool] seems to have been acting wonky since I started using popup, but I'm not sure if that's related. Essentially pools of the same name don't seem to share the same contents (thought I would share that with you in case popup's interfering, I really have no understanding of these things, though).

Oops, that's strange... do you have a simple example patch showing this behavior?

best greetings, Thomas

Had this come through my inbox today, hadn't seen it posted on the [PD] List. Might be of some interest to some of you..........

Pure Data/ Free and Open Source Software Workshop

VJ | Video editing | Audio editing

Hosted by OpenMute, London UK - Monday 13 Dec - Tuesday 14 Dec

**PD.ZILLA --- PURE DATA STOMPS THE UK!**

Workshops and demos on Free and Open Source Software by Aymeric Mansoux and Derek Holzer.

While many tools exist for sound, multimedia and VJ purposes, few of them are designed with the kind of open architecture that allows artists to reconfigure the tools themselves. Fewer still are free to use, share and rebuild.

This workshop introduces the software combination of Pure Data, GEM and PDP/PiDiP, running on the Linux operating system, as a platform for audio, video and multimedia artists to explore.

About Pure Data http://pure-data.iem.at/

Pure Data/Free and Open Source Software Workshop

Workshop date and time: Monday 13 Dec - Tuesday 14 Dec | 10.30 (coffee) [WINDOWS-1252?]11am start – 7pm finish. Lunch is from 1-2.

Public install, date and time: Tuesday 14 Dec | 6pm

Party: location/date and time to be announced, check our Wiki for updates

Where: Ground Floor Hall, The Whitechapel Centre, 85 Myrdle St, London E1 1HL The workshop is fully wheelchair accessible. Please let us know if you have any other access requirements. Local travel: Tube: Whitechapel/Aldgate East, DLR: Shadwell, Bus: 25, 15, 247 Street map: http://linkme2.net/b

Details forthcoming at: http://3d.openmute.org/modules/wakka/PureData Discussion forum: http://3d.openmute.org/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=15

Registration/payment: +44(0)20 7377 6949 services@metamute.com Cost and payment details: 50gbp. Payment can be accepted by cheque (UK clearing bank only, please make cheques payable to: Mute), Visa, Mastercard, Solo, Switch, Maestro. (Please call to make credit card payments)

Payment must be made in full before the workshop starts. No concessions are available. No refunds available for cancellation or missed workshop. Places are limited so please book early. If there are no places available, we will be holding further PD workshops and there is a public (free) install session from 6pm on Tuesday 14th Dec.

All equipment will be provided, though if you prefer you are invited to bring your own laptop for the duration of the workshop. The workshop team can install PD and setup your machine, but please allow sufficient space [700 Mb for dyne:bolic, or 5 Gb for full Linux installation!]. This is on top of any existing operating system (OS) and will not damage your existing OS (Windows, Mac OSX, Linux, BSD, + other Unix flavours can be accommodated).

**NB - Please let us know in advance if you want to bring your own machine and let us know its specifications**

The program

DAY ONE

INTERMEDIATE: aimed towards people with some basic familiarity with computers, and who would like to increase their knowledge of Pure Data, digital audio+video and Linux.

1 Installation Clinic(workshop participants only) [HANDS-ON][1 HOUR]

This block of time will be set aside for people to bring in their own PCs in order to install either the dyne:bolic or Fedora Linux/Planet CCRMA system of audio video applications. Please set aside a suitable amount of space on your hard drive! [700 Mb for dyne:bolic, or 5 Gb for full Linux installation!]

2 Meet Mr. Pure Data[HANDS-ON][3 HOURS]

An introduction to simple programming using the graphical environment of PD, or Pure Data. Participants will build a simple, monophonic synthesizer which can be played from the computer keyboard, while learning some of the basic "grammar" and "vocabulary" of the PD language. Several ready-made instruments from the RRADical collection of patches for PD will also be introduced.

3 Everyone Wants to be a VJ, pt. 1[HANDS-ON][3 HOURS]

An introduction to GEM, the Graphics Environment for Multimedia, which is an external library for PD which allows for the creation and manipulation of 3D objects. Participants will explore basic 3D shapes + movements, as well as mapping images and textures onto these shapes.

DAY TWO

INTERMEDIATE: aimed towards people with some basic familiarity with computers and Pure Data, and with an interest in making live sound and video.

Our Old Friend, Mr. Pure Data[HANDS-ON][3 HOURS]

A higher level workshop in PD, for those who survived the introduction and are ready for more complex exercises. Here, we will cover using tables to manipulate audio samples, filters + delays, creating reusable modules of code to save you time, and integrating PD into other Linux audio applications using the Jack Audio Connection Kit.

Everyone Wants to be a VJ pt. 2[HANDS-ON][3 HOURS]

Video mixing and processing using PDP, or Pure Data Packets, another external for PD. Aymeric will demonstrate how to create abstract video from noise, how to load Quicktime video clips from the hard drive, and how to use filters to create video effects.

Installation Clinic(open to the public 6pm) [HANDS-ON][1 HOUR]

This block of time will be set aside for people to bring in their own PCs in order to install either the dyne:bolic or Fedora Linux/Planet CCRMA system of audio video applications. Please set aside a suitable amount of space on your hard drive! [700 Mb for dyne:bolic, or 5 Gb for full Linux installation!]

Credits and thanks

Simon Yuill of http://www.yourmachines.org/ for the inspiration to put on the workshop. Raquel Perez de Eulate for help organising the event. Korona from SSBA for the venue hire. The PD.ZILLA team for being flexible in arranging the event.

The event is organised by OpenMute, provider of FLOSS web tools see: http://openmute.org OpenMute is a Mute Publishing Ltd. project http://metamute.com , and supported by the Arts Council of England.

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Ok I've added a few features to popup...

David NG McCallum wrote:

| - if the mouse is held down to select an option, and you move the mouse | over another popup, that popup displays its contents.

Indeed I see this, I don't see how its a bug though?

| - sometimes it seems to reset its colour (??? not sure if this is a | popup problem or something in my patch that assigns popup a colour)

Yup, it seems the colour is reset when I switch virtual gnome desktops. I've fixed this in CVS, just another t_symbol vs s_name mistake!

| - also some of my patches seem to be editing themselves since I started | using popup, specifically message contents rewriting themselves (this | one is so weird I don't even know what to think about it)

I've not heard back if your using the latest version in CVS. I hope this is fixed!

I've added the "append" method that works exactly like "options" except it appends the values onto the end of the list rather than over-writing. You can add one item or multiple items. To clear the list you can send "options" with no args.

I'll be commiting my changes to CVS shortly.

| Hope some of this helps...

Thanks for testing.

B.

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Hey David,

I've looked through the code again and did not see any invalid uses of ->s_name so I hope there is no more patch alteration happening. It certainly could have been caused by your use of bgcolour, which I set my argument and not by message usually.

Keep in touch, I hope the thing is getting closer!

B.

David NG McCallum wrote: | Ben, | | Sorry, been kind of scatterbrained lately... Yes, I've always been using | the latest CVS. | | The first issue there isn't necessarily a bug, it's just a behaviour | that seemed a little unexpected... No serious problem, though. | | Perfect, I'm looking forward to this external being rock-solid. :) As | always, good work. | | David

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Hmmmm.

It looks like when you switch workspaces or minimize in gnome that the whole canvas is redrawn. This means that popup assumes it is the first time it has been drawn and therefore no one could have selected any options.

How do things like vslider remember their position when re-drawing? (which file contains the vslider code?)

How can I test if this is the first time the widget is being drawn compared to the first time after the window has been minized??

Any suggestions?

Thanks B.

David NG McCallum wrote: | Ben, | | Okay, the colours no longer change but the popup labels still change to | the popup name instead of whatever option was selected. | | Append works, awesome! | | David | __ _ _ _ _ __ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ _ ____ __ | Music wants to be free http://sintheta.org | | B. Bogart wrote: | |> Ok I've added a few features to popup... |> |> David NG McCallum wrote: |> |> | - if the mouse is held down to select an option, and you move the mouse |> | over another popup, that popup displays its contents. |> |> Indeed I see this, I don't see how its a bug though? |> |> | - sometimes it seems to reset its colour (??? not sure if this is a |> | popup problem or something in my patch that assigns popup a colour) |> |> Yup, it seems the colour is reset when I switch virtual gnome desktops. |> I've fixed this in CVS, just another t_symbol vs s_name mistake! |> |> | - also some of my patches seem to be editing themselves since I started |> | using popup, specifically message contents rewriting themselves (this |> | one is so weird I don't even know what to think about it) |> |> I've not heard back if your using the latest version in CVS. I hope |> this is fixed! |> |> I've added the "append" method that works exactly like "options" |> except it |> appends the values onto the end of the list rather than over-writing. |> You can |> add one item or multiple items. To clear the list you can send |> "options" with no |> args. |> |> I'll be commiting my changes to CVS shortly. |> |> | Hope some of this helps... |> |> Thanks for testing. |> |> B. |> | |

B,

Oh, found another bug. I'm running RH9 with planet CCRMA stuff...

When you switch between desktops in Gnome all popups go back to their original name (they don't appear to actually output anything). And all popups with the same name change to the same colour, it seems to be the colour of the last popup that's had its colour changed, but I'm not sure about that.

Hope this helps...

David __ _ _ _ _ __ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ _ ____ __ Music wants to be free http://sintheta.org

B. Bogart wrote:

:) cool that your using the damn thing,

any weird crashes? Have you found any need to set a "default" value via loadbang?

I've actually already had this idea for popup, but have not put it in yet to make sure other bugs that I thought I had fixed are fixed! I may not get to it until january, but every request helps.

Care to send me a screenshot of how your using it?

It'll probably be called "add" since options are about the only thing you could even add to a popup.

I'll announce when I make the changes.

Thanks for trying it.

B>