Hello all,
I am new on this list and a novice user of Pd -- my question is:
Has anyone here used Pd running on Mac OS X on performances with live acoustic instruments and if so has it been stable, etc.
All good wishes, from sunny Lisbon,
Pedro Carneiro email: pedro@pedrocarneiro.com web: http://www.pedrocarneiro.com
My experience with Pd on OS X is that it seems to be stable, but with a couple of bugs. I have been having problems with the keyup and ctlin generating unwanted numbers, which are both easy enough problems to fix. Aside from that and the lack of externals libraries in OS X the program runs fine and I can rely on it for live performance...
I hope this helps.... David On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Hello all,
I am new on this list and a novice user of Pd -- my question is:
Has anyone here used Pd running on Mac OS X on performances with live acoustic instruments and if so has it been stable, etc.
All good wishes, from sunny Lisbon,
Pedro Carneiro email: pedro@pedrocarneiro.com web: http://www.pedrocarneiro.com
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Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Hello all,
I am new on this list and a novice user of Pd -- my question is:
Has anyone here used Pd running on Mac OS X on performances with live acoustic instruments and if so has it been stable, etc.
Works for me too. I did a 20min performance outdoor in Chiang Mai, Thailand on a OSX Panther Ibook (G3 600mhz) with a mega patch complete with fm, phase vocoder, reverb and more subpatches. The proof is online :)
http://block4.com/dokumentation/switch04/wat.html
gem runs stable too although I got trouble with webcam input.
Cheers,
Malte
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Hello all,
Thank you Malte!
I am new on this list and a novice user of Pd -- my question is: Has anyone here used Pd running on Mac OS X on performances with live acoustic instruments and if so has it been stable, etc.
Works for me too. I did a 20min performance outdoor in Chiang Mai, Thailand on a OSX Panther Ibook (G3 600mhz) with a mega patch complete with fm, phase vocoder, reverb and more subpatches. The proof is online :)
Re: Great, many thanks. I am a percussionist and composer ( further info on my website at http://www.pedrocarneiro.com ) and I am thinking of developing a long piece for solo Bb clarinet and live electronics. The thing is that I am extremely keen on open source and didn't want to use Max/Msp at all (in fact, I have worked as a soloist many times 'under' max/msp on several new works by other composers), hence my interest to learn Pd and use it for this new project. Long way to go, as I am totally new to Pd and only have very basic knowledge of Max/Msp.
Greetings to all, take care,
Pedro Carneiro web: http://www.pedrocarneiro.com =================================
Hallo, Pedro Carneiro hat gesagt: // Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Re: Great, many thanks. I am a percussionist and composer ( further info on my website at http://www.pedrocarneiro.com ) and I am thinking of developing a long piece for solo Bb clarinet and live electronics. The thing is that I am extremely keen on open source
Then you might also consider using Linux later, but take your time. OS-X, although based on an open source system, is not open source itself, as you know - you maybe already paid for some of those OS upgrades Apple sells. I really don't want to start a discussion on operating systems here, but if open-sourceness is important to you (it is to me) then OS-X is a dead end street operating-system-wise.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Hi Frank, hi all,
Then you might also consider using Linux later, but take your time. OS-X, although based on an open source system, is not open source itself, as you know - you maybe already paid for some of those OS upgrades Apple sells. I really don't want to start a discussion on operating systems here, but if open-sourceness is important to you (it is to me) then OS-X is a dead end street operating-system-wise.
Re: Indeed, although linux is still rather scary for me. I have some basic knowledge and run a debian server with TWIGGI ( http://www.twiggi.org/ ), but have long been used to the mac os (11 years now). I have tried yellow dog linux on a imac, but it was really slow. What distro of linux would you recommend for audio?
All good wishes,
Pedro Carneiro web: http://www.pedrocarneiro.com =================================
Hallo, Pedro Carneiro hat gesagt: // Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Re: Indeed, although linux is still rather scary for me.
It is to everyone. ;) That's part of the fun.
I have some basic knowledge and run a debian server with TWIGGI ( http://www.twiggi.org/ ), but have long been used to the mac os (11 years now). I have tried yellow dog linux on a imac, but it was really slow. What distro of linux would you recommend for audio?
I really don't know much about PowerPC-Linux. Personally I run Debian for years now, and at the Linux Audio Conference I saw at least one Powerbook that was running Debian as well (the one of Stefan "Supercollider" Kersten), so it is at least possible to make Debian work on a Mac.
Debian testing/unstable includes a hell of a lot of audio applications, and sooner or later Agnula/Demudi will merge their packages into it, then you will have even more of a choice. Other people I know use Gentoo on PPC. Personally I don't like waiting so much for something to compile, so I'm not very keen of Gentoo. If I want to compile a package I can built with Debian's apt-get easily as well.
So if you already have Debian experience, then I'd suggest you stay with it. As soon as you have learned the package tools for a distribution (and decided on a favourite editor) they are pretty much the same.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
On Jun 8, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Pedro Carneiro hat gesagt: // Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Re: Indeed, although linux is still rather scary for me.
It is to everyone. ;) That's part of the fun.
I have some basic knowledge and run a debian server with TWIGGI ( http://www.twiggi.org/ ), but have long been used to the mac os (11 years now). I have tried yellow dog linux on a imac, but it was really slow. What distro of linux would you recommend for audio?
I really don't know much about PowerPC-Linux. Personally I run Debian for years now, and at the Linux Audio Conference I saw at least one Powerbook that was running Debian as well (the one of Stefan "Supercollider" Kersten), so it is at least possible to make Debian work on a Mac.
Debian testing/unstable includes a hell of a lot of audio applications, and sooner or later Agnula/Demudi will merge their packages into it, then you will have even more of a choice. Other people I know use Gentoo on PPC. Personally I don't like waiting so much for something to compile, so I'm not very keen of Gentoo. If I want to compile a package I can built with Debian's apt-get easily as well.
So if you already have Debian experience, then I'd suggest you stay with it. As soon as you have learned the package tools for a distribution (and decided on a favourite editor) they are pretty much the same.
I use Debian/PPC on my PowerBook G4 800 and its quite a bit faster than
MacOS X. Currently, the only thing I really use Debian for on my
PowerBook is for running my instrument:
http://at.or.at/hans/stickmusic/
It works very well for that, very reliable. While Debian is really
great for those who dig into their OS, its not so friendly for novices.
It is definitely very user friendly, but only if that user is an
experienced UNIX or GNU/Linux person.
.hc
There is no way to peace, peace is the way.
-A.J. Muste
i would love an assessment of how hard it was getting debian to run on
a mac
On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 11:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Jun 8, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, Pedro Carneiro hat gesagt: // Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Re: Indeed, although linux is still rather scary for me.
It is to everyone. ;) That's part of the fun.
I have some basic knowledge and run a debian server with TWIGGI ( http://www.twiggi.org/ ), but have long been used to the mac os (11 years now). I have tried yellow dog linux on a imac, but it was really slow. What distro of linux would you recommend for audio?
I really don't know much about PowerPC-Linux. Personally I run Debian for years now, and at the Linux Audio Conference I saw at least one Powerbook that was running Debian as well (the one of Stefan "Supercollider" Kersten), so it is at least possible to make Debian work on a Mac.
Debian testing/unstable includes a hell of a lot of audio applications, and sooner or later Agnula/Demudi will merge their packages into it, then you will have even more of a choice. Other people I know use Gentoo on PPC. Personally I don't like waiting so much for something to compile, so I'm not very keen of Gentoo. If I want to compile a package I can built with Debian's apt-get easily as well.
So if you already have Debian experience, then I'd suggest you stay with it. As soon as you have learned the package tools for a distribution (and decided on a favourite editor) they are pretty much the same.
I use Debian/PPC on my PowerBook G4 800 and its quite a bit faster
than MacOS X. Currently, the only thing I really use Debian for on my
PowerBook is for running my instrument:http://at.or.at/hans/stickmusic/
It works very well for that, very reliable. While Debian is really
great for those who dig into their OS, its not so friendly for
novices. It is definitely very user friendly, but only if that user
is an experienced UNIX or GNU/Linux person..hc
There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste
I read:
i would love an assessment of how hard it was getting debian to run on
a mac
depends, oldworld = PITA generally on newer macs it's pretty straightforward, there are some annoyances you'll run into but google #debianppc and the debian ppc list and archives are your friend. I happily run debian only on my tibook since i got it. the newer ones have some problems like airport extreme - forget it, nvidia based gfx chipset ? kiss dri goodbye ... need the tv out ? I didn't manage to get it to work on mine (vga out is fine though)
just my 0.02EUR
regards,
x
i would love an assessment of how hard it was getting debian to run on a mac
There is a chapter of O'reilly's "Mac OS X Hacks" dedicated to installing debian on an mac lappie. you can check http://www.oreilly.com to get the book or browse http://safari.oreilly.com/ to get that specific chapter. best
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Patrick,
Two things:
- Be careful that you install OS X first, and reserve a large empty
space at the START of the disk for your Linux partitions. This is because the Open Firmware steps through the partitions in _order_ searching for a boot loader. If it doesn't find Yaboot - the Linux bootloader first, it will boot straight into MacOS.
- You might not get anything like the full graphics functionality that
your chipset supports. CK is right about the nvidia cards being largely unsupported, but even with an ATI card, I have only ever been able to get XFree86 to run in 8-bit mode!
To bring things back on topic though - Debian on PPC should work great for PD - I don't know about GEM and the video stuff...
Jamie
Patrick Pagano wrote:
i would love an assessment of how hard it was getting debian to run on a mac
Patrick,
Two things:
- Be careful that you install OS X first, and reserve a large empty
space at the START of the disk for your Linux partitions. This is because the Open Firmware steps through the partitions in _order_ searching for a boot loader. If it doesn't find Yaboot - the Linux bootloader first, it will boot straight into MacOS.
- You might not get anything like the full graphics functionality that
your chipset supports. CK is right about the nvidia cards being largely unsupported, but even with an ATI card, I have only ever been able to get XFree86 to run in 8-bit mode!
To bring things back on topic though - Debian on PPC should work great for PD - I don't know about GEM and the video stuff...
Jamie
Patrick Pagano wrote:
i would love an assessment of how hard it was getting debian to run on a mac
I've used it a quite a bit on MacOS X and its been quite stable, as
stable as on GNU/Linux or Windows. My friend Michael Sharon uses Pd on
MacOS X to run his Pierrophone and Stranglophone:
http://uberthings.com/blog/ and I don't think he's had many crashes.
Some are inevitable with any audio software, of course.
.hc
On Jun 8, 2004, at 2:38 AM, Pedro Carneiro wrote:
Hello all,
I am new on this list and a novice user of Pd -- my question is:
Has anyone here used Pd running on Mac OS X on performances with live acoustic instruments and if so has it been stable, etc.
All good wishes, from sunny Lisbon,
Pedro Carneiro email: pedro@pedrocarneiro.com web: http://www.pedrocarneiro.com
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