(this is a topic for the list, so I am CC'ing it again).

On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:28 PM, lists.puredata.info@cefn.com wrote:

Thanks for your reply, Hans-Christoph,

Building all of pd-extended isn't my favourite way forward, although
I'm attempting to do this to make progress anyway. I'll try to explain
why.

One of the advantages of building pd from source was simplicity and
minimising unnecessary dependencies (i.e. not having to install a
thousand libraries when I only need one). This means the build can
take place more rapidly (I imagine) and also is likely to be more
portable. In the long run I will need to migrate the pd program I am
building to a cheaper platform to sit in an exhibition space, probably
a linux/intel box, and so reliance on every library building for the
darwin platform may turn out to be an obstacle or at least a waste.

To take a simple example, I've never successfully installed ffmpeg
before today on Tiger, (although I've now managed it). It requires the
activation of 'unstable packages' from fink, and previously would
force me to reboot my machine (turned out to be a space in the Volume
name) so if this kind of problem is avoidable, I'll avoid it.

However, without working from the basics of pd, and adding the
required libraries according to the elements I actually need (not many
elements needed in this case) it will be hard to get to a
stripped-down version of the minimal libraries, and know exactly what
I MUST build, versus what is in the full extended package.

Is there a minimal build of pd for Tiger, which I could use as a
foundation, to add libraries with increasing complexity? Am I missing
something about the extended source you're pointing me to (is there a
minimal target).

In the absence of this, I'll just build a debian box from scratch with
some cheap intel hardware, and then try to build the whole pd-extended
source on that with apt-get, whether I need it or not.

The Pd-extended.app and Windows installer include all extra lib
dependencies, so its not a big deal. The GNU/Linux version is aimed at
Debian, and its easy enough to install the dependecies there. Here's
how:

http://puredata.org/docs/developer/Debian

One of the key ideas of Pd-extended is that the package will be as
close to exactly the same on all platforms, so it should work well for
you when you transition from Mac OS X to Debian. There are already
people working on making .deb packages from the Pd-extended build
system.

NOTES ON INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS AT

http://puredata.org/docs/developer/darwin

Tcl/Tk section refers in one case to BatteriesIncluded version, and
in the other, to a disk image which is not named BI. The guidance to
download TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg therefore seems to be redundant. Should
this read TclTkAquaBI-8.4.9.dmg, or better, the recent stable releases
of 8.4.9 or 8.4.10... TclTkAquaBI-8.4.9.1.dmg or
TclTkAquaBI-8.4.10.0.dmg. If more recent versions are known NOT to
work, this is worth recording. Otherwise should I assume that later is
better?

That document covers how Pd-extended is currently built. 8.4.9 is known
to work, that's why its there. I haven't really played with newer
versions, that's why I didn't say anythign about them.

FYI: You need both the Frameworks (TclTkAqua-8.4.9.dmg) and the .app
(TclTkAquaStandalone-8.4.9.dmg).

Fixed the BI typo.

At one point during the installation, I believed the script was asking
for a cvs password with the prompt password: whereas it was actually asking for sudo privileges. My error, but this
could be clarified with a message in the script.

Where is this?

OTHER COMMENTS

Out of interest, for some reason, from my current location (New
Hampshire) I can't get to http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html at
all, (though the rest of the web seems accessible from here). Not your
problem, but maybe worth noting if others experience the same problems
of visibility.

Haven't heard of any problems recently.

.hc

Cefn http://cefn.com/curiosity/

On 8 Jan 2006, at 14:21, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

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The Pd-extended binaries should work fine on Tiger. Try RC6: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html

Any of the recent versions should build on Tiger. Here are some
basic setup instructions for compiling Pd-extended:

http://puredata.org/docs/developer/darwin

Post any problems you have with those instructions.

.hc

On Jan 8, 2006, at 4:24 AM, lists.puredata.info@cefn.com wrote:

...

I'd like to build the latest stable version of PD from source on my
Mac OS X Tiger machine, for the following reasons.

Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli