Em dom., 7 de fev. de 2021 às 10:59, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay < tremblap@gmail.com> escreveu:
I reckon this is a good idea for old patches purpose, but are you aware of the amazing work by Pierre Guillot at Paris8?
http://cicm.github.io/HoaLibrary-Light/
PureData Max openFrameworks too!
So, about "Hoa", we should try and make it available for vanilla via deken as well. I wonder if others managed to compile it and use it so we could upload these, or just interested. The available downloads in that repository do not work for me and there are known issues running this in newer versions of Pd, for more, see https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary-PD/issues/13
On a related note, CEAMMC offers a modified version of the HOA library as part of their system.
Hi Alexandre,
The Hoa library is pretty complicated to compile, it requires updates and the help files and tutorials are based on the Cream library that is also deprecated... my development process was really chaotic at the time (sorry)! Unfortunately, I think I'll never have the time to maintain these libraries anymore, even if I really wish I could do it. But fortunately, the CEAMMC library integrates most of the Cream & HOA objects, you might ask the CEAMMC devs what remains to be done instead of doing another distribution? I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to get help!
Le dim. 7 févr. 2021 à 16:04, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com a écrit :
Em dom., 7 de fev. de 2021 às 10:59, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay < tremblap@gmail.com> escreveu:
I reckon this is a good idea for old patches purpose, but are you aware of the amazing work by Pierre Guillot at Paris8?
http://cicm.github.io/HoaLibrary-Light/
PureData Max openFrameworks too!
So, about "Hoa", we should try and make it available for vanilla via deken as well. I wonder if others managed to compile it and use it so we could upload these, or just interested. The available downloads in that repository do not work for me and there are known issues running this in newer versions of Pd, for more, see https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary-PD/issues/13
On a related note, CEAMMC offers a modified version of the HOA library as part of their system.
Em ter., 9 de fev. de 2021 às 06:33, Pierre Guillot < guillotpierre6@gmail.com> escreveu:
you might ask the CEAMMC devs what remains to be done instead of doing another distribution? I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to get help!
not sure what you mean, are you saying we should forget about your abandoned work and just stick to the version from ceammc? Or are you saying I could ask them for help on what needs to be done so it compiles?
Hi When i asked Serj Poltavski (from ceammc) about the CEAMMC lib (specifically the HOA part), he told me on the Facebook group ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/puredata/permalink/10158303891579495/?commen...) that due to issues with different shared libs versions on different linux distros, they couldn't provide a linux build of their lib on deken. He briefly talked about providing a static build version -maybe.
Le mar. 9 févr. 2021 à 14:32, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com a écrit :
Em ter., 9 de fev. de 2021 às 06:33, Pierre Guillot < guillotpierre6@gmail.com> escreveu:
you might ask the CEAMMC devs what remains to be done instead of doing another distribution? I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to get help!
not sure what you mean, are you saying we should forget about your abandoned work and just stick to the version from ceammc? Or are you saying I could ask them for help on what needs to be done so it compiles?
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not sure what you mean, are you saying we should forget about your
abandoned work and just stick to the version from ceammc? Or are you saying I could ask them for help on what needs to be done so it compiles?
Not necessarily "forget" as the Hoa library is part of the CEAMMC library. If you just want to "resurrect" the Hoa library exactly as it was 4 years ago, I'm afraid that you will spend a lot of time for not many benefit because most of the Hoa objects and patches are already available via the CEAMMC library. So, it would be simpler to help the CEAMMC devs to finish the integration of the Hoa library into the CEAMMC library. But, of course, it depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it - to be honest if I had the time there is a high probability that I recreate a new spatialization library from scratch just to have fun to explore new approaches, so I'm really not the right person to tell what to do and how to do it ;).
Le mar. 9 févr. 2021 à 15:24, baptiste chatel baptiste.chatel@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi When i asked Serj Poltavski (from ceammc) about the CEAMMC lib (specifically the HOA part), he told me on the Facebook group ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/puredata/permalink/10158303891579495/?commen...) that due to issues with different shared libs versions on different linux distros, they couldn't provide a linux build of their lib on deken. He briefly talked about providing a static build version -maybe.
Le mar. 9 févr. 2021 à 14:32, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com a écrit :
Em ter., 9 de fev. de 2021 às 06:33, Pierre Guillot < guillotpierre6@gmail.com> escreveu:
you might ask the CEAMMC devs what remains to be done instead of doing another distribution? I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to get help!
not sure what you mean, are you saying we should forget about your abandoned work and just stick to the version from ceammc? Or are you saying I could ask them for help on what needs to be done so it compiles?
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Em ter., 9 de fev. de 2021 às 12:18, Pierre Guillot < guillotpierre6@gmail.com> escreveu:
not sure what you mean, are you saying we should forget about your
abandoned work and just stick to the version from ceammc? Or are you saying I could ask them for help on what needs to be done so it compiles?
Not necessarily "forget" as the Hoa library is part of the CEAMMC library. If you just want to "resurrect" the Hoa library exactly as it was 4 years ago, I'm afraid that you will spend a lot of time for not many benefit because most of the Hoa objects and patches are already available via the CEAMMC library. So, it would be simpler to help the CEAMMC devs to finish the integration of the Hoa library into the CEAMMC library. But, of course, it depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it
That's all very nice to know. I only have two speakers and I know next to nothing about ambisonics. I'm not a real user of this or any other ambisonics library and I have no idea about the state and issues of HOA. I also have no idea what's been modified and what's going on inside CEAMMC. But anyway, lots of information has been spread here and that's great!
I had the idea one could just get 'hoa' from deken without having to get all of ceammc or use their fork. Not that I have anything against ceammc integrating it (and, for what I know now, actually "saving" and "resurrecting" hoa), it's just that sometimes people want one specific thing (in this case a dedicated ambisonics library) and would rather not carry more than they needed. And ceammc as a library carries lots of stuff on their own and also encompasses/includes other third party libraries (such as hoa, cream, chaos and more stuff).
In a more critical sense, there's no 'ceammc' for any linux distribution in deken...
So if there weren't so many issues that are now clear, I could see the point and advantage of "resurrecting" hoa and bringing it to deken for all platforms (including raspberry pis).
- to be honest if I had the time there is a high probability that I
recreate a new spatialization library from scratch just to have fun to explore new approaches, so I'm really not the right person to tell what to do and how to do it ;).
that'd be nice, the more the merrier :) Pd could use more ambisonics objects. This is why I felt it was necessary to upload CICM-Tools to deken!
cheers
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Pierre Guillot