New subject: Binfile (was Turning non-audio data feeds into audio)

14 Oct 2009

      Im on a mac so everything is hidden inside the app package, which is a

folder really.
I go to application> right click/ ctrl click on the file and select "show

content" then put the binary in contents/resources/extra
If you on linux it should be work the same (being Unix and all) but not

sure about windows i am afraid
Does anyone have any suggestions to get binfile.pd working on windows /

linux??
marius.
On 13 Oct 2009 02:21, Jerome Covington info@thespacebetweenthewords.org

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I can't seem to find this directory.
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Should I create that directory structure myself? And if so where does it

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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, alan brooker alan.dubdub@googlemail.com>

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darn! I think it may have something to do with the binfile.pd which is
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an external from Mr.Peaches-for some reason the binary doesn't get
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found by PD- I attach a copy for OSX- if you add it to
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because cant find it). I m not too sure where binaries are for other
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Basically If the binfile gets working it is a good way to make sound
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based on computer data, as opposed to just playing the raw file of a
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jpeg -thank for looking :)
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On 10/12/09, Jerome Covington info@thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote:
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Hey, I can get the visualization to work, but not the "audioization".
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM, The Space Between the Words
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Thanks, Alan!
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I will take a look at your binary conversion patch first chance I get.
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On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:40 PM, alan brooker alan.dubdub@googlemail.com>
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it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music,
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because if you can't, you could have taken that data from anywhere
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else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket
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I agree fully- the point in which the output is true to it's source
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and making something sound good is tricky and down to skill-
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I worked on a simple patch that created audio from binary data from
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loaded files and I am trying to make good sounds from the patch in
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different ways continually- half the fun though!(a work in progress!
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contains osx app and pd patch for other os- uses Mr.Peaches binfile):
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On 10/11/09, Jerome Covington info@thespacebetweenthewords.org> wrote:
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Excellent, Mathieu.
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I have a lifetime of experience in music to inform the aesthetics
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Now I just need more on the "how", and to that extent I am very
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote:
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Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning real-time,
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> non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one
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Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd chatroom a
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musical meaningfulness comes from meaningfulness of the data
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basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.
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the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data in
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the programme can be considered a kind of meaningful input... and if
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programme imposes itself as the source of the meaning and
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downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output meaningful;
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but unless one is very skilled at understanding the information
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standpoint of music, using random values gives you just more
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music like what you are talking about... sort of like picking a
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now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in
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the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about information
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theory,
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one can get to interesting results intuitively... one essentially
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focus on getting beautiful results for likely inputs instead of
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content with whatever fits with the description of a certain art
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concept.
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Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like crap.
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Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty and
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the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful... actually,
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like this: the programme can only output music that sounds
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no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one of the
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nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by
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æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's perfect like
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so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make patches so
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results sound fairly good no matter the input you give them, and
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optionally,
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if you can make the input also recognisable in the output, it's a
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feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the
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feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for live
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data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise their own
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the music, else the point is going to be lost on them, really. but
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stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock price
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music, because if you can't, you could have taken that data from
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else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket
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so maybe you wanted people to explain their actual processes, but I
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that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of what
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processes be good or not.
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| Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801
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Regards,
Jerome Covington
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"define audio development"

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