Hi,
I've been away for a while, and just wanted to ask something:
- has anyone tried anything with the following hardware + pd?
http://www.wacom-shop.net/cgi-bin/wacom.storefront/DE/product/PTZ-630G
- I was thinking about abusing that with [hid]. is it alredy working with
windows (xp)?
Thanks,
Joao
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including
output support. We are working on making a release.
But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on
Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do
not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
.hc
On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:48 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
Hi,
I've been away for a while, and just wanted to ask something:
- has anyone tried anything with the following hardware + pd?
http://www.wacom-shop.net/cgi-bin/wacom.storefront/DE/product/PTZ-630G
- I was thinking about abusing that with [hid]. is it alredy
working with windows (xp)?
Thanks,
Joao
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I had the idea to use such a tablet on Windows, but it seems impossible, because the WinXP wants to treat the device like a mouse. Obviously, we just want position data from it in Pure Data, but we want the OS to ignore the data and use the regular mouse.
Am I missing something? Is this possible on Win?
Alternately, I do have an old PIII laptop with Debian installed, and it seems that PD-extended is running on there fine. Would I have better luck using the tablet this way in Linux? I still don't really understand how Linux works or deals with devices though, so I'd be a total newbie at trying to get this running.
~David
On 2/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including output support. We are working on making a release.
But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
.hc
On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:48 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
Hi,
I've been away for a while, and just wanted to ask something:
- has anyone tried anything with the following hardware + pd?
http://www.wacom-shop.net/cgi-bin/wacom.storefront/DE/product/PTZ-630G
- I was thinking about abusing that with [hid]. is it alredy
working with windows (xp)?
Thanks,
Joao
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You will have much better luck with the tablet using GNU/Linux.
It'll work right now with Pd, and if you know how to mess with your X
config, you can stop the wacom from acting as a mouse quite easily.
.hc
On Feb 10, 2007, at 6:07 PM, David Powers wrote:
I had the idea to use such a tablet on Windows, but it seems impossible, because the WinXP wants to treat the device like a mouse. Obviously, we just want position data from it in Pure Data, but we want the OS to ignore the data and use the regular mouse.
Am I missing something? Is this possible on Win?
Alternately, I do have an old PIII laptop with Debian installed, and it seems that PD-extended is running on there fine. Would I have better luck using the tablet this way in Linux? I still don't really understand how Linux works or deals with devices though, so I'd be a total newbie at trying to get this running.
~David
On 2/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including output support. We are working on making a release.
But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
.hc
On Feb 8, 2007, at 4:48 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
Hi,
I've been away for a while, and just wanted to ask something:
- has anyone tried anything with the following hardware + pd?
http://www.wacom-shop.net/cgi-bin/wacom.storefront/DE/product/
PTZ-630G
- I was thinking about abusing that with [hid]. is it alredy
working with windows (xp)?
Thanks,
Joao
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There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including output
support. We are working on making a release.But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on
Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do
not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
that's a drag. there's now way to avoid that? do you know any other
tablets which allow pressure/tilt sensoring?
do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse together
in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the pointer)
On Feb 11, 2007, at 2:11 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including
output support. We are working on making a release.But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because
on Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers,
which do not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.that's a drag. there's now way to avoid that? do you know any other
tablets which allow pressure/tilt sensoring?do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse
together in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the pointer)
I don't know the answer to either question, but also would be
interested in hearing answers...
.hc
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 11, 2007, at 2:11 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including output support. We are working on making a release.
But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
that's a drag. there's now way to avoid that? do you know any other tablets which allow pressure/tilt sensoring?
do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse together in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the pointer)
I don't know the answer to either question, but also would be interested in hearing answers...
The tablet and the mouse both work at the same time, so if both are moving, you get a mix of both. It's the same if you plug two or more mice into the machine, but the tablet has absolute position so the cursor jitters if it's being driven by a mouse at the same time, while the mouse relative offsets add together to make the cursor move. Wacom seem to have APIs available for the usual suspects at http://www.wacomeng.com/devsupport/index.html
Martin
do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse
together in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the pointer)
The tablet and the mouse both work at the same time, so if both are
moving, you get a mix of both. It's the same if you plug two or more
mice into the machine, but the tablet has absolute position so the
cursor jitters if it's being driven by a mouse at the same time, while
the mouse relative offsets add together to make the cursor move. Wacom seem to have APIs available for the usual suspects at
http://www.wacomeng.com/devsupport/index.html
that's unfortunately not that flexible. so if I would want to get some
values from the table while playing the it, and at the same time control
my patch with the mouse, it wouldn't be possible for the tablet not to
control the pointer but still send in?
and if I want to use the values from the click, it can happen that the
table will just click anything on the screen?
I guess that's a behaviour from windows, and not from this (or any other)
tablet, right?
João Miguel Pais
Hallo, João Miguel Pais hat gesagt: // João Miguel Pais wrote:
I guess that's a behaviour from windows, and not from this (or any other)
tablet, right?
I don't know about Windows, but on Linux/X it's possible to use a tablet independently from the mouse.
Ciao
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On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:02 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse
together in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the
pointer)The tablet and the mouse both work at the same time, so if both
are moving, you get a mix of both. It's the same if you plug two
or more mice into the machine, but the tablet has absolute
position so the cursor jitters if it's being driven by a mouse at
the same time, while the mouse relative offsets add together to
make the cursor move. Wacom seem to have APIs available for the usual suspects at http:// www.wacomeng.com/devsupport/index.htmlthat's unfortunately not that flexible. so if I would want to get
some values from the table while playing the it, and at the same
time control my patch with the mouse, it wouldn't be possible for
the tablet not to control the pointer but still send in? and if I want to use the values from the click, it can happen that
the table will just click anything on the screen?I guess that's a behaviour from windows, and not from this (or any
other) tablet, right?
[hid] and [hidio] get the data straight from the device, so you can
get data from multiple devices separately with no problem. But the
OS also gets the data and uses it to move the mouse pointer. I know
of no way to stop Windows from using a mouse's data from moving the
mouse. In GNU/Linux/XWindows, it's pretty straightforward.
.hc
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On 13/02/2007, at 16.14, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
[hid] and [hidio] get the data straight from the device, so you can
get data from multiple devices separately with no problem. But the
OS also gets the data and uses it to move the mouse pointer.
Ahh, a penny drops. It's not a matter of reading the data, it's
solely a matter for controlling what gets to use the data. Thanks for
making this straight.
Hi all, it's perfectly possible to separate mouse and wacom tablet inputs,by "capturing" the wacom. The major problem is that this is can only be done by using a non-disclosed API. I was able to make an arrangement with wacom so that they gave me the relevant specs, but i'm not allowed to publish an object with open-source. It's possible to publish a binary one, though. The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.
greetings, Thomas
Martin Peach schrieb:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 11, 2007, at 2:11 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including output support. We are working on making a release.
But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
that's a drag. there's now way to avoid that? do you know any other tablets which allow pressure/tilt sensoring?
do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse together in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the pointer)
I don't know the answer to either question, but also would be interested in hearing answers...
The tablet and the mouse both work at the same time, so if both are moving, you get a mix of both. It's the same if you plug two or more mice into the machine, but the tablet has absolute position so the cursor jitters if it's being driven by a mouse at the same time, while the mouse relative offsets add together to make the cursor move. Wacom seem to have APIs available for the usual suspects at http://www.wacomeng.com/devsupport/index.html
Martin
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On Tue, February 13, 2007 12:56, Thomas Grill said:
Hi all, it's perfectly possible to separate mouse and wacom tablet inputs,by "capturing" the wacom. The major problem is that this is can only be done by using a non-disclosed API. I was able to make an arrangement with wacom so that they gave me the relevant specs, but i'm not allowed to publish an object with open-source. It's possible to publish a binary one, though. The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.
greetings, Thomas
Martin Peach schrieb:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 11, 2007, at 2:11 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:
There is a test version of [hidio] working on Windows, including output support. We are working on making a release.
But Wacoms will only be supported by [hidio] on GNU/Linux because on Windows and Mac OS X, you have to install the Wacom drivers, which do not use the HID API, but instead their own custom API.
that's a drag. there's now way to avoid that? do you know any other tablets which allow pressure/tilt sensoring?
do you also know if it's possible to use this tablet and a mouse together in windows? (that is, the tablet doesn't control the pointer)
I don't know the answer to either question, but also would be interested in hearing answers...
The tablet and the mouse both work at the same time, so if both are moving, you get a mix of both. It's the same if you plug two or more mice into the machine, but the tablet has absolute position so the cursor jitters if it's being driven by a mouse at the same time, while the mouse relative offsets add together to make the cursor move. Wacom seem to have APIs available for the usual suspects at http://www.wacomeng.com/devsupport/index.html
Martin
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On 13/02/2007, at 12.56, Thomas Grill wrote:
Hi all, it's perfectly possible to separate mouse and wacom tablet
inputs,by "capturing" the wacom.
I'm just curious. How is that "capturing" different from doing
appropriate adjustments to X.conf on a linux system which have been
suggested as possible workarounds?
The major problem is that this is can only be done by using a non- disclosed API. I was able to make an arrangement with wacom so that
they gave me the relevant specs, but i'm not allowed to publish an
object with open-source. It's possible to publish a binary one,
though.
I simply don't understand why companies that make hardware like this
wants to close the api like that. What gain can balance the loss of
potentional users (= buyers)?
The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for
Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.
Great stuff. Can one just snap stuff/objects out of the vibrez_pure
build and add it else where? Also, apart from the wee intro text on
the website, can you share more info on the vibrez_pure project -
especially how it differs from the other distributions?
On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Steffen wrote:
On 13/02/2007, at 12.56, Thomas Grill wrote:
Hi all, it's perfectly possible to separate mouse and wacom tablet
inputs,by "capturing" the wacom.I'm just curious. How is that "capturing" different from doing
appropriate adjustments to X.conf on a linux system which have been
suggested as possible workarounds?
It provides the same thing. It's just that Mac OS X and especially
Windows are not as flexible as GNU/Linux/XWindows in regards to
configuring this stuff. You can already do all this stuff with
Wacoms on GNU/Linux using [hid].
.hc
The major problem is that this is can only be done by using a non- disclosed API. I was able to make an arrangement with wacom so
that they gave me the relevant specs, but i'm not allowed to
publish an object with open-source. It's possible to publish a
binary one, though.I simply don't understand why companies that make hardware like
this wants to close the api like that. What gain can balance the
loss of potentional users (= buyers)?The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for
Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.Great stuff. Can one just snap stuff/objects out of the vibrez_pure
build and add it else where? Also, apart from the wee intro text on
the website, can you share more info on the vibrez_pure project -
especially how it differs from the other distributions?
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The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for
Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.Great stuff. Can one just snap stuff/objects out of the vibrez_pure
build and add it else where?
In general, this is not possible for the objects that are special for
vibrez_pure, because they use (at least) pd_devel features. It
possible though for the objects from other authors that are just
packaged with vibrez_pure.
The other way around should be perfectly possible... adding object to
the vibrez_pure application is described in the accompanying docs.
Please note that vibrez_pure is still under evolvement, as is the
full vibrez. (as is pd...)
Also, apart from the wee intro text on the website, can you share
more info on the vibrez_pure project - especially how it differs
from the other distributions?
The intention is to provide a really optimized core distro that is
well documented and well-tested, with usable midi and audio
interfaces and a few other bonus externals. It's only the core of the
larger vibrez project, but we would be happy if people find it useful
on its own.
greetings, Thomas
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On 2/13/07, Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org wrote:
Hi all, it's perfectly possible to separate mouse and wacom tablet inputs,by "capturing" the wacom. The major problem is that this is can only be done by using a non-disclosed API. I was able to make an arrangement with wacom so that they gave me the relevant specs, but i'm not allowed to publish an object with open-source. It's possible to publish a binary one, though. The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.
greetings, Thomas
Ohhh, now I'm holding my breath waiting for the Win binary! My Windows machine is much newer and faster than my Linux one; so this would let me do some really cool things I can't do right now, if it was working. Not to mention I'm still an idiot on Linux...
~D
You could always use the linux box to interpret the WACOM tablet data and send it via OSC to the windows PC to use with other software if you'd like.
~Kyle
On 2/13/07, David Powers cyborgk@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/13/07, Thomas Grill gr@grrrr.org wrote:
Hi all, it's perfectly possible to separate mouse and wacom tablet inputs,by "capturing" the wacom. The major problem is that this is can only be done by using a non-disclosed API. I was able to make an arrangement with wacom so that they gave me the relevant specs, but i'm not allowed to publish an object with open-source. It's possible to publish a binary one, though. The object is already working for MacOS but i haven't had time for Windows yet. It will be part of vibrez_pure.
greetings, Thomas
Ohhh, now I'm holding my breath waiting for the Win binary! My Windows machine is much newer and faster than my Linux one; so this would let me do some really cool things I can't do right now, if it was working. Not to mention I'm still an idiot on Linux...
~D
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