Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing).
How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this.
Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
Sounds like a great idea! And some people have been asking me for t-
shirts. I have been thinking of a similar thing for Pd-extended. I
think the easiest way to handle this would be to set up some kind of
fund for the PdConvention. Then who ever is running the Pd Convention
would get the funds for the convention. The funds could be used for
sponsoring travel, hosting people, food at the conference, space
rental, etc.
I guess the tricky part is where to collect the money. We've talked
about this in the past, it shouldn't get too bogged down in the
possibilities. For example, I think it would be ok to have a paypal
account that a couple people had access too. It could be something
like donate@puredata.info.
.hc
On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:10 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing).
How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this.
Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
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If you made one like this:
http://www.avhc.es/pato/pics/computermusic.gif
I'd buy it.
Design by Ruben Patino.
D.
make this into a shirt:
Am 01.04.2009 um 09:05 schrieb Derek Holzer:
If you made one like this:
http://www.avhc.es/pato/pics/computermusic.gif
I'd buy it.
Design by Ruben Patino.
D.
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that's kind of cool, because it makes absolutely no sense when you look up close.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Max abonnements@revolwear.com wrote:
make this into a shirt:
Am 01.04.2009 um 09:05 schrieb Derek Holzer:
If you made one like this:
http://www.avhc.es/pato/pics/computermusic.gif
I'd buy it.
Design by Ruben Patino.
D.
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Hi Ben, all,
We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo?
The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I should still have it if you want.
À bientôt,
Alexandre
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing).
How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this.
Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
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I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, having never been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns.
I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD more accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to increase the existing body of literature?
If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list)
Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way to go about printing, selling, and distributing. If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and added input.
-Ben
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay acastonguay@artengine.ca wrote:
Hi Ben, all,
We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo?
The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I should still have it if you want.
À bientôt,
Alexandre
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing).
How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this.
Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
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On 01/04/2009, at 16.34, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list)
I guess at least the papers and similar will be posted online. Maybe
there will even be printed a proceeding. So i think your fairly safe.
Also i don't think you have any other option.
Great idea. Have you got a design ready?
Yes, I agree that the fund should be for a documentation bounty. I think that Ben (or whoever makes the shirts) should hold the money in trust. Perhaps set up an interest-bearing account to save the cash in. Then create a well-documented (pun?) bounty description of what key features are to be implemented and the financial payment for each. You could do micropayments for key help patches or examples, say $20 US each, or a big bounty for larger sections such as re-organizing existing patches into a tidy intro library for new uses, with ready-mades to go.
I think this would be a longer lasting value than paying for Pd-con. I'd love to go myself, but probably cannot afford it...but I'd rather see some solid documentation be built...or have the financial incentive to do it! (Not a capitalist, just a hungry belly).
~Kyle
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersmith@gmail.comwrote:
I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, having never been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns.
I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD more accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to increase the existing body of literature?
If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list)
Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way to go about printing, selling, and distributing. If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and added input.
-Ben
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay acastonguay@artengine.ca wrote:
Hi Ben, all,
We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo?
The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I should still have it if you want.
À bientôt,
Alexandre
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing).
How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this.
Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
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Thanks Kyle,
That's much more in line with what I'm looking to do. I also cannot afford to go to PdCon given that it's all the way in Brazil, and I'm sure the majority of Pd users are in the same boat. A documentation bounty seems like a good way to encourage people to document, and give them a way of justifying their time. And, I agree, probably more worthwhile than paying half of one person's ticket to Sao Paulo.
In regards to designs, and printing:
I'm thinking it might be cheapest (allowing more money to be raised) for me to print the shirts myself.. I just need to come up with a solid price estimate in the next couple days. Also, this seems more in line with the do-it-yourself attitude of Pd than, say, e-mailing a .Gif file to an internet service and letting it all go through them.
I have couple designs I've drawn up myself, and a few have been submitted to me via this list. So, hopefully by the end of the weekend, I will upload them to my site and post a link on the list for feedback.
-Ben
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I agree that the fund should be for a documentation bounty. I think that Ben (or whoever makes the shirts) should hold the money in trust. Perhaps set up an interest-bearing account to save the cash in. Then create a well-documented (pun?) bounty description of what key features are to be implemented and the financial payment for each. You could do micropayments for key help patches or examples, say $20 US each, or a big bounty for larger sections such as re-organizing existing patches into a tidy intro library for new uses, with ready-mades to go. I think this would be a longer lasting value than paying for Pd-con. I'd love to go myself, but probably cannot afford it...but I'd rather see some solid documentation be built...or have the financial incentive to do it! (Not a capitalist, just a hungry belly). ~Kyle
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersmith@gmail.com wrote:
I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, having never been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns.
I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD more accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to increase the existing body of literature?
If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list)
Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way to go about printing, selling, and distributing. If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and added input.
-Ben
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay acastonguay@artengine.ca wrote:
Hi Ben, all,
We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo?
The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I should still have it if you want.
À bientôt,
Alexandre
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing).
How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this.
Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
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It would be cool if the design were an actual patch, kind of like http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/29/maxmsp-and-circuit-bending-t-shirts... a superior Pd version). What would be really great would be if people could submit their own patches and have shirts made from them. I'm sure this would be way too much of a hassle, but I can dream.
Otherwise, I like hardoff's bang-until idea, or a rendition of 4'33" going into a [writesf~] (if you entertain fantasies of being sued by the Cage estate).
--Stefan
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Ichabod ichabod@gmail.com wrote:
It would be cool if the design were an actual patch, kind of like http://createdigitalmusic.com/2006/06/29/maxmsp-and-circuit-bending-t-shirts... (but a superior Pd version). What would be really great would be if people could submit their own patches and have shirts made from them. I'm sure this would be way too much of a hassle, but I can dream.
Otherwise, I like hardoff's bang-until idea, or a rendition of 4'33" going into a [writesf~] (if you entertain fantasies of being sued by the Cage estate).
It is ironic that you have to license the score to a piece of music that you don't even really have to perform...
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I like the DIY way. It would be great if people organized their own
fundraisers and bounties. I think that fits in well with the anarchic
nature of Pd.
There are things like cafepress.com for t-shirts and the like. It is
more expensive than doing it yourself, probably, but its easier. It
would be nice to see more than one Pd t-shirt available. I'd like
bang-until and that cake, for example.
.hc
On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
Thanks Kyle,
That's much more in line with what I'm looking to do. I also cannot afford to go to PdCon given that it's all the way in Brazil, and I'm sure the majority of Pd users are in the same boat. A documentation bounty seems like a good way to encourage people to document, and give them a way of justifying their time. And, I agree, probably more worthwhile than paying half of one person's ticket to Sao Paulo.
In regards to designs, and printing:
I'm thinking it might be cheapest (allowing more money to be raised) for me to print the shirts myself.. I just need to come up with a solid price estimate in the next couple days. Also, this seems more in line with the do-it-yourself attitude of Pd than, say, e-mailing a .Gif file to an internet service and letting it all go through them.
I have couple designs I've drawn up myself, and a few have been submitted to me via this list. So, hopefully by the end of the weekend, I will upload them to my site and post a link on the list for feedback.
-Ben
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com
wrote:Yes, I agree that the fund should be for a documentation bounty. I think that Ben (or whoever makes the shirts) should hold the
money in trust. Perhaps set up an interest-bearing account to save the cash
in. Then create a well-documented (pun?) bounty description of what key
features are to be implemented and the financial payment for each. You could do micropayments for key help patches or examples, say
$20 US each, or a big bounty for larger sections such as re-organizing
existing patches into a tidy intro library for new uses, with ready-mades to
go. I think this would be a longer lasting value than paying for Pd- con. I'd love to go myself, but probably cannot afford it...but I'd rather
see some solid documentation be built...or have the financial incentive to
do it! (Not a capitalist, just a hungry belly). ~KyleOn Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Ben Baker-Smith <bbakersmith@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, having
never been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns.I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD
more accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to increase
the existing body of literature?If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members
contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list)Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way to
go about printing, selling, and distributing. If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and added input.-Ben
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay acastonguay@artengine.ca wrote:
Hi Ben, all,
We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo?
The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the
original t's I should still have it if you want.À bientôt,
Alexandre
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I
haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer
available as far as I can tell.Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds
toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the
same thing).How do you all think would be the best way of going about this?
Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a
sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't
know how to go about this.Any/all input is welcome
-Ben
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
Yes, as far as I know, the 2004 batch made in Graz sold out in 2004, and the 2006 batch made in Ottawa sold out in 2006. The latter batch had the same front, but the back is not printed, only had t-shirts, and had different colours.
I heard that there is still a good number of t-shirts from the 2007 batch made in Montréal. Those are different, as they feature an excerpt of H-C Steiner's "Solitude" DS score, used as the logo of the 2007 convention. I think that there is some more leftover merchandise as well.
_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec
Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
actually i think some of them (that is: the 2nd generation for oldskool foks with [pd 0.40] on the back) are still available. at least o have 3 of them lying around here in my office (2 t-shirts; one is orange, the other dark-green; and a hooded shirt in orange; all of them are "small"). so if anybody want's to drop by they can get them (i don't do oversea transportation these days).
more interesting is probably the web-shop at http://kug.mur.at (go to "auslage/shop", select "wear", select "KiG!" (who appear to be authors of the shirt for whatever reason) and buy). still no paypal or other neo liberal hyper capitalist fuzz.
fmadf., IOhannes
Aw man, I'd love to pick one of those up. You're in Germany though, huh? That's gonna make stopping by difficult.
Oh well.
That link was dead so I wasn't able to check out the web-shop.
-Ben
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
Hello List,
I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell.
actually i think some of them (that is: the 2nd generation for oldskool foks with [pd 0.40] on the back) are still available. at least o have 3 of them lying around here in my office (2 t-shirts; one is orange, the other dark-green; and a hooded shirt in orange; all of them are "small"). so if anybody want's to drop by they can get them (i don't do oversea transportation these days).
more interesting is probably the web-shop at http://kug.mur.at (go to "auslage/shop", select "wear", select "KiG!" (who appear to be authors of the shirt for whatever reason) and buy). still no paypal or other neo liberal hyper capitalist fuzz.
fmadf., IOhannes
Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
Aw man, I'd love to pick one of those up. You're in Germany though, huh?
ähm, .at stands for austria (which is a small country near germany and not to be confused with australia)
That's gonna make stopping by difficult.
i guess austria doesn't make it any easier (nor more difficult)
Oh well.
That link was dead so I wasn't able to check out the web-shop.
ah sorry, it should read http://kig.mur.at
fmgadsr. IOhannes
My mistake.
Thanks for the updated link.
-Ben
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:29 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:
Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
Aw man, I'd love to pick one of those up. You're in Germany though, huh?
ähm, .at stands for austria (which is a small country near germany and not to be confused with australia)
That's gonna make stopping by difficult.
i guess austria doesn't make it any easier (nor more difficult)
Oh well.
That link was dead so I wasn't able to check out the web-shop.
ah sorry, it should read http://kig.mur.at
fmgadsr. IOhannes
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