Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch).
-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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Funny, I don't get the flickering on Ubuntu and Mac OS X, but that
subpatch does grow by 10ish pixels each time, so there is something
funky going on.
About Windows, its currently the least tested and developed, since I
am on Ubuntu and Mac OS X. Any help there is especially needed, I'll
do what I can.
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch).
-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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<scrollbar-flickering.pd>
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my
telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out
how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)
Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where it
first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends
another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch).
-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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<scrollbar-flickering.pd>
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software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls
you." - Richard M. Stallman
Hallo,
probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do you think it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing the help menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport and those of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom of the help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if you have moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool to have fixed after all these years. :)
Ciao
Frank
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where it
first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends
another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch).
-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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<scrollbar-flickering.pd>
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Indeed! That stupid bug has been around far too long. No more!
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
Keep reporting, and I'll do my best to keep fixing.
.hc
On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do
you think it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing
the help menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the
viewport and those of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom
of the help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or
if you have moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool
to have fixed after all these years. :)Ciao
Frank
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where
it first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see
attached patch).-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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<scrollbar-flickering.pd>
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Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic.
It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and
expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on
terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
Hallo,
didn't test it yet, but you probably made my day. :)
Ciao
Frank
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Indeed! That stupid bug has been around far too long. No more!
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
Keep reporting, and I'll do my best to keep fixing.
.hc
On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do
you think it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing
the help menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport and those of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom
of the help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if you have moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool
to have fixed after all these years. :)Ciao
Frank
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where
it first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see
attached patch).-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
I think I fixed this, could you test to make sure?
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch).
-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P" give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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I'd be happy to test it, but my desktop with the whole mingw/cygwin setup is on the fritz, so I'll have to wait for the next windows nightly build to commence.
-Jonathan
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or..at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:55 PM
I think I fixed this, could you test to make sure?
.hc
On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar
flickering happening on winxp (see attached
patch).
-Jonathan
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at
wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at..or.at> Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI
Rewrite, and
it should be quite useable now. Please try
it for any
daily patching and report any issues that you
might have so
that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of
fun new
stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to
any key,
for example make "O" give you an [osc~] and "P"
give you a
[pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their
original
meanings.
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly
builds,
see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to
write GUI
plugins. Please add anything you know of,
and ask
questions so we can get more stuff documented:
http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
.hc
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only
incidentally for machines to execute.
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Programs
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[Kind of picky...]
In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text "DSP." I know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read "dsp", the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument).
I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than "compute audio." I think that's true, so if the beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well learn the message "dsp 0" and "dsp 1" at the same time (and be reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console).
In a similar vein: what about "audiostatus" instead of "DIO"?
-Jonathan
On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
[Kind of picky...]
In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text "DSP." I
know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read "dsp", the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling
the 0/1 argument).I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than "compute audio." I think that's true, so if the
beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as
well learn the message "dsp 0" and "dsp 1" at the same time (and be
reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console).
"compute audio" is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the
'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier
if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other
things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have
a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.
In a similar vein: what about "audiostatus" instead of "DIO"?
-Jonathan
I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left
it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there
are communications troubles with the audio interface.
.hc
Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic.
It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and
expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on
terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
It's stupid -- you press it to find out what timing errors have occurred recently, in an unreadable format. The whole thing needs to be rethought :)
thanks M
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:26:33PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
[Kind of picky...]
In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text "DSP." I
know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read "dsp", the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling
the 0/1 argument).I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than "compute audio." I think that's true, so if the
beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as
well learn the message "dsp 0" and "dsp 1" at the same time (and be
reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console)."compute audio" is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the
'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier
if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other
things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have
a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.In a similar vein: what about "audiostatus" instead of "DIO"?
-Jonathan
I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left
it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there
are communications troubles with the audio interface..hc
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It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and
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--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:26 AM
On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
[Kind of picky...]
In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable
text "DSP." I know
acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if
the text read
"dsp", the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect
the message one
sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the
checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument).
I think someone complained recently that DSP would be
less clear to a
beginner than "compute audio." I think that's
true, so if the beginner
has to read a help file to figure out what it means,
they might as well
learn the message "dsp 0" and "dsp 1" at the same time
(and be reminded of
the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the
console).
"compute audio" is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.
Well it's definitely a minor distinction-- I just think that the lower case reflects what's going on under the hood more closely, which is a good thing.
Something else I've been wondering about...is there any reason the top of the console couldn't be a pd canvas or a gop? As it is, it's just two [tgl]s, two [vu]s, and maybe a [bng]. Other than the DIO button it's just a [dac~], [adc~], and [s pd], right?
-Jonathan
In a similar vein: what about "audiostatus" instead of
"DIO"?
-Jonathan
I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there are communications troubles with the audio interface.
.hc
On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: "Jonathan Wilkes" jancsika@yahoo.com Cc: "PD list" pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:26 AM
On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
[Kind of picky...]
In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable
text "DSP." I know
acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if
the text read
"dsp", the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect
the message one
sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the
checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument).
I think someone complained recently that DSP would be
less clear to a
beginner than "compute audio." I think that's
true, so if the beginner
has to read a help file to figure out what it means,
they might as well
learn the message "dsp 0" and "dsp 1" at the same time
(and be reminded of
the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the
console).
"compute audio" is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.
Well it's definitely a minor distinction-- I just think that the lower case reflects what's going on under the hood more closely, which is a good thing.
Something else I've been wondering about...is there any reason the top of the console couldn't be a pd canvas or a gop? As it is, it's
just two [tgl]s, two [vu]s, and maybe a [bng]. Other than the DIO button
it's just a [dac~], [adc~], and [s pd], right?
It could be a GOP, I think all of the properties, about, etc. should
be Pd patches. But before doing that, I think we need better support
for standard Tk widgets within Pd.
.hc
-Jonathan
In a similar vein: what about "audiostatus" instead of
"DIO"?
-Jonathan
I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there are communications troubles with the audio interface.
.hc
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bill
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
"compute audio" is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items.
häh?
the media menu items in Pd <=0.42 reads "audio ON" and "audio OFF". these do not match the "pd dsp" message, but kind of relate to "compute audio".
indeed in pd-gui-rewrite, the "audio ON" is renamed to "DSP An" and "DSP Aus" (seems like the former is a demand for a de_AT localization :-)) but that doesn't really help the argument.
I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout.
makes sense. otoh, most newbies (those who probably won't start using [; pd dsp 1() will want to turn on audio rather than learn what "dsp" means. on the third hand, they will probaby wonder why they have to turn on anything, so it won't matter whether it's audio or dsp.
finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the "DSP" button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something.
mfbgasdr IOhannes
On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:35 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
"compute audio" is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match
the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items.häh?
the media menu items in Pd <=0.42 reads "audio ON" and "audio OFF". these do not match the "pd dsp" message, but kind of relate to
"compute audio".indeed in pd-gui-rewrite, the "audio ON" is renamed to "DSP An" and
"DSP Aus" (seems like the former is a demand for a de_AT localization :-)) but that doesn't really help the argument.I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other
things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout.makes sense. otoh, most newbies (those who probably won't start using [; pd dsp 1() will want to turn on audio rather than learn what "dsp" means. on the third hand, they will probaby wonder why they have to turn on anything, so it won't matter whether it's audio or dsp.
finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the "DSP" button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to
hear something.
I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.
.hc
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finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the "DSP"
button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something.
I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.
.hc
I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there?
Andras
On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, András Murányi wrote:
finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the "DSP" button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to
hear something.I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.
.hc
I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there?
Andras
There is no included method called "tooltips", but you can easily make
your own. Here are some examples:
.hc
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On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, András Murányi wrote:
finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the "DSP" button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something.
I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.
.hc
I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there?
Andras
There is no included method called "tooltips", but you can easily make your own. Here are some examples:
.hc Andras
Yes I did try some of those but they were not so perfect or reliable. If you find a good one, however, you're there. Andras
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