Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and preferences" • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name • opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
rich
Just found another bug after opening the 'test audio and midi" patch, closing it, and attempting to reopen it:
invalid command name "menu_raisenextwindow" invalid command name "menu_raisenextwindow" while executing "menu_raisenextwindow" (command bound to event)
I also get this when trying to open the 'Load Meter' patch, or any other patch via 'open'. Trying to close pd and reopen gives:
ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Rich E reakinator@gmail.com wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and preferences" • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name • opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
rich
Oops, just dug this up, time to go thru them. These two work fine for
me, can't reproduce them. Still happening?
.hc
On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Rich E wrote:
Just found another bug after opening the 'test audio and midi"
patch, closing it, and attempting to reopen it:invalid command name "menu_raisenextwindow" invalid command name "menu_raisenextwindow" while executing "menu_raisenextwindow" (command bound to event)
I also get this when trying to open the 'Load Meter' patch, or any
other patch via 'open'. Trying to close pd and reopen gives:ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Rich E reakinator@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light grey • there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences" • editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object name • opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ $basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.rich
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First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6
has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the
back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa
backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush
out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can
get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/ Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ $basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists,
but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with
live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly
I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a
tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements
these things.Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to
tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the
problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just
don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it
can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/
Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means
using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install".
For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then
inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-
rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
comes up.-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this
Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to
flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that
they can get fixed.One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the
better sent to the pd-dev list?):• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light greyNever seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object nameHmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ $basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd
patch.I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list..hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but
with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free
software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls
you." - Richard M. Stallman
Hello,
I am forwarding this to the tcl-mac list too, as this question is probably more appropriate there.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.
How do I get the Carbon-specific version (or know that it is not Cocoa)? I built and installed Tcl/Tk 8.5.8, but I don't see any Tcl/Tk 8.5.8/Carbon framework, or any directions on how to build it specifically.
I think it would be best for me to test this before reporting any bugs, although it seems clear enough this is where the problem lays for building Pd (dev branch) from source on Snow Leopard.
- rich
But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly
I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
So based on what they said in tcl-mac, we just need to test for
'AppKit' and only do the $mymenu.apple stuff if using Tk Carbon (i.e.
no "AppKit" in [winfo server .] ). I added two new functions for
dealing with the special Apple menus:
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
.hc
On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Rich E wrote:
Hello,
I am forwarding this to the tcl-mac list too, as this question is
probably more appropriate there.On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a
tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements
these things.Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting
to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing
the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I
just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
screenshot after this email.Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so
it can be scary. ;)Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/ Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.
How do I get the Carbon-specific version (or know that it is not
Cocoa)? I built and installed Tcl/Tk 8.5.8, but I don't see any Tcl/ Tk 8.5.8/Carbon framework, or any directions on how to build it
specifically.I think it would be best for me to test this before reporting any
bugs, although it seems clear enough this is where the problem lays
for building Pd (dev branch) from source on Snow Leopard.
- rich
But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and
running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly
build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts
and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
comes up.-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this
Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to
flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that
they can get fixed.One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is
the better sent to the pd-dev list?):• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light greyNever seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object nameHmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ $basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd
patch.I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list..hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but
with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free
software means someone else controls that, and to some extent
controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from
scarcity." -John Gilmore
I finally have a custom build of Tcl/Tk 8.5 Carbon that I can swap with the Tcl/Tk 8.5 Cocoa included with Snow Leopard. This is the source of the problems :) So I'll try to address them one-by-one on the tcl-mac list and spare the pd folks.
As of today, building from svn still creates the "Apple" menu item, I don't know if you had tried to fix this or not yet.
One thing I noticed is that building pd with the Carbon Tcl/Tk version gives an "about Tcl/Tk" menu option in the "Wish" menu, but this is replaced with the "About pd" menu item when using Tcl/Tk Carbon - why so? It seems appropriate to have it when Pd can be compiled with different versions of Tcl/Tk and the results can greatly differ.
Rich
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
So based on what they said in tcl-mac, we just need to test for 'AppKit' and only do the $mymenu.apple stuff if using Tk Carbon (i.e. no "AppKit" in [winfo server .] ). I added two new functions for dealing with the special Apple menus:
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=rev&revision=...
.hc
On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Rich E wrote:
Hello,
I am forwarding this to the tcl-mac list too, as this question is probably more appropriate there.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones.
How do I get the Carbon-specific version (or know that it is not Cocoa)? I built and installed Tcl/Tk 8.5.8, but I don't see any Tcl/Tk 8.5.8/Carbon framework, or any directions on how to build it specifically.
I think it would be best for me to test this before reporting any bugs, although it seems clear enough this is where the problem lays for building Pd (dev branch) from source on Snow Leopard.
- rich
But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you."
- Richard M. Stallman
"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity." -John Gilmore
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).
rich
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and frankly
I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the
tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a
tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements
these things.Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting
to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing
the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I
just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
screenshot after this email.Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so
it can be scary. ;)Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/ Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that
means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make
install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd- devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it
to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app
bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the
executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I
removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it
to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).rich
Literally all I did was:
- download nightly Pd-devel build
- cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
- rm -rf bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
.hc
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
comes up.-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this
Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to
flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that
they can get fixed.One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is
the better sent to the pd-dev list?):• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light greyNever seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object nameHmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ $basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd
patch.I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list..hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but
with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free
software means someone else controls that, and to some extent
controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody
gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -
Admiral Gene LeRocque
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).
rich
Literally all I did was:
- download nightly Pd-devel build
- cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
- rm -rf bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
.hc
Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well.
Rich
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you."
- Richard M. Stallman
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque
On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd- devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of
the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report
it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that
implements these things.Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in
Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting
to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing
the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details.
I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to
point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a
screenshot after this email.Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so
it can be scary. ;)Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into / Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But
that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running
"make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as
"Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and
symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/ Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/ code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/ hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app
bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the
executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I
removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it
to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).rich
Literally all I did was:
- download nightly Pd-devel build
- cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
- rm -rf bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
.hc
Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder
is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well.
Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the
Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/
Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and
'pd' (i.e Pd ;)
.hc
Rich
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what
comes up.-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at
wrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so,
10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa
for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use
this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be
good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list
so that they can get fixed.One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include
Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now
and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is
the better sent to the pd-dev list?):• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly
visible because it is very light greyNever seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name: ‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move
within the object nameHmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error: ‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/ $basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd
patch.I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn
tcl/tk and help out, if needed.That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm
going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged
into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the
lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list..hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but
with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free
software means someone else controls that, and to some extent
controls you." - Richard M. Stallman
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody
gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. - Admiral Gene LeRocque
"We have nothing to fear from love and commitment." - New York Senator
Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage
bill
Does this wish shell in Contents/MacOS have the Tcl/Tk Frameworks built into it (whether Carbon or Cocoa)?
Its working now, thanks. Nice method, I have one symlinked to the svn repository and one for myself to hack on.
cheers, Rich
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).
rich
Literally all I did was:
- download nightly Pd-devel build
- cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
- rm -rf bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
.hc
Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well.
Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and 'pd' (i.e Pd ;)
.hc
Rich
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you."
- Richard M. Stallman
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque
"We have nothing to fear from love and commitment." - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
The Wish program will look thru its Frameworks search path to find the frameworks. It something like:
- look Contents/Frameworks
- ~/Library/Frameworks
- /Library/Frameworks
- /System/Library/Frameworks
.hc
Rich E wrote:
Does this wish shell in Contents/MacOS have the Tcl/Tk Frameworks built into it (whether Carbon or Cocoa)?
Its working now, thanks. Nice method, I have one symlinked to the svn repository and one for myself to hack on.
cheers, Rich
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Rich E wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Rich E wrote:
Still in OS X 10.6. I don't have one of these problems with Pd-devel-0.43 (dec 15) nightly build, so it must all be because of the tk/cocoa version that you mention. I'm not sure how to report it a tcl mailing list, as I don't know where the code is that implements these things.
Does it make sense that the arrow keys are detected differently in Tk/Cocoa, so they are just sent to pd's gui C code as spaces?
Not to me... it should be the same, that's why its worth reporting to tcl-mac. You don't need to know the exact code that's causing the problem. I read that list too, so I can fill in the details. I just don't have access to a 10.6 machine these days.
As for the text color issue in the audio settings, you'll have to point me towards what is controlling that. I'll send you a screenshot after this email.
Check out dialog_audio.tcl. Its still mostly the original code, so it can be scary. ;)
Do you know how I can force configure to use Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon?
If you put a version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon frameworks into /Library/Frameworks, it should use them over the build in ones. But that means using the Makefile in packages/darwin_app and running "make install". For development, I just rename a nighly build as "Pd-devel.app" then inside the package, remove some guts and symlink it to my pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 sources:
hans@palatschinken.at.or.at:src > ls -l /Applications/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources/ total 152 lrwxr-xr-x 1 hans staff 3 2010-01-05 14:27 Scripts -> bin/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 47204 2008-08-14 20:03 VolumeIcon.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 545 2008-07-21 13:53 Wish.rsrc lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 59 2010-01-05 14:32 bin -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src/ dr-xr-xr-x 13 hans staff 442 2009-12-15 08:41 doc/ dr-xr-xr-x 180 hans staff 6120 2009-12-15 08:52 extra/ dr-xr-xr-x 6 hans staff 204 2009-12-15 08:41 include/ -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 42741 2008-02-14 18:14 pd-file.icns -r--r--r-- 1 hans staff 37100 2008-02-14 18:14 pd.icns lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 2010-01-05 14:31 po -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 hans staff 102 2009-12-15 08:41 share/ lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 63 2010-01-05 14:31 startup -> /Users/hans/code/pure-data/branches/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup/
I like this way of running the newest sources from within the app bundle, but I can't get it working yet. I had to replace the executable in Contents/MacOS, but then it cannot find pd-gui.tcl (I removed the bin folder in the Resources directory and symlinked it to the pd-gui-rewrite/src/, like you did).
rich
Literally all I did was:
- download nightly Pd-devel build
- cd /path/to/Pd-devel.app/Contents/Resources
- rm -rf bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/src bin
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/po
- ln -s /path/to/pd-gui-rewrite/0.43/startup
.hc
Really. I do this and the executable in the Contents/MacOS folder is still run and not the one in the symlinked directory. Oh well.
Ah, ok, I understand now. The exe in Contents/MacOS is not Pd but the Wish Shell, so you want it to run that. 'pd' resides in Contents/Resources/bin/pd. Pd is two processes: 'pd-gui' (i.e. Wish) and 'pd' (i.e Pd ;)
.hc
Rich
.hc
I'll use the nightly build in the meantime and let you know what comes up.
-rich
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
First off, which platform? Is this still Mac OS X 10.6? If so, 10.6 has a built-in custom version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.7 that uses Cocoa for the back end rather than Carbon. Tcl/Tk 8.6 will only use this Cocoa backend, but will work on Mac OS X 10.5. It would be good to flush out these bugs and report them to the tcl-mac list so that they can get fixed.
One thing to try is using one of the nightly builds, which include Tcl/Tk 8.5.7/Carbon. I think they should work on 10.6: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
On Nov 16, 2009, at 1:55 PM, Rich E wrote:
Hi List, Hans,
I've been using the pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 svn for a couple days now and here are some notes I've taken when finding various bugs (is the better sent to the pd-dev list?):
• In Audio Settings, the text in the drop down menus is hardly visible because it is very light grey
Never seen that, screenshot?
• there is a new menu item called 'apple' with "about pd" and
preferences"
Known issue with the Tk/Cocoa, haven't found a workaround yet.
• editing an object name:
‣ moving with arrows adds a space to the end, but does not move within the object name
Hmm, can't reproduce, Tk/Cocoa issue?
• opening "about pd" gives an error:
‣ Error: can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable" ‣ an't read "pd_myversion": no such variable can't read "pd_myversion": no such variable while executing "regsub -all PD_VERSION $bigstring2 $pd_myversion bigstring3" (procedure "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext" line 15) invoked from within "::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename"" (".txt" arm line 1) invoked from within "switch -- [string tolower [file extension $basename]] { ".txt" {::pd_menucommands::menu_opentext "$dirname/$basename" } ".c" {::..." (procedure "menu_doc_open" line 4) invoked from within "menu_doc_open doc/1.manual 1.introduction.txt" (menu invoke)
Its not implemented yet... I was hoping to make "About Pd" a pd patch.
I have some time on my hands now that I finished my Master's, and
frankly I think the pd-vanilla GUI is unpleasant, so I could learn tcl/tk and help out, if needed.
That would be great! Your reports have already been helpful. I'm going to be in pretty deep this month till its finished and merged into Miller's 0.43 version. He's been relatively scarse on the lists, but we've been working thru this stuff off-list.
.hc
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
"Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you."
- Richard M. Stallman
I hate it when they say, "He gave his life for his country." Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. -Admiral Gene LeRocque
"We have nothing to fear from love and commitment." - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill
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Rich E -
Rich E