IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved or be added to the existing settings when saving. They should only act as overrides to the settings. This is true for a number of flags such as -path for which I have a fix on Github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153
On Dec 27, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.net mailto:antoine@metalu.net> To: Alexandros <adrcki@gmail.com mailto:adrcki@gmail.com> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>, Pd-List <pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> Subject: Re: [PD] How to get off verbose mode? Message-ID: <CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com mailto:CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Setting the -verbose flag adds it to the startup flags and if you *save* the settings the flag is saved as well
In fact, on Linux at least, you don't even need to *save* the settings: clicking "Apply" or "OK" buttons of Path and Startup dialogs "auto"-saves (all) the settings.
to pd-devs: if this is intended, maybe:
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
- "Preferences/Save all Preferences" menu entry could be removed.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
funny
i just experienced this on a 386 build i did for raspi/pd/sc devel
once i set it it's on even though i set the verbose on the cli
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From: Pd-list pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at on behalf of Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 12:00:55 PM To: Antoine Rousseau Cc: Pd-List Subject: Re: [PD] How to get off verbose mode?
IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved or be added to the existing settings when saving. They should only act as overrides to the settings. This is true for a number of flags such as -path for which I have a fix on Github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153
On Dec 27, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.atmailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.netmailto:antoine@metalu.net> To: Alexandros <adrcki@gmail.commailto:adrcki@gmail.com> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.commailto:danomatika@gmail.com>, Pd-List <pd-list@lists.iem.atmailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> Subject: Re: [PD] How to get off verbose mode? Message-ID: <CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.commailto:CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Setting the -verbose flag adds it to the startup flags and if you *save* the settings the flag is saved as well
In fact, on Linux at least, you don't even need to *save* the settings: clicking "Apply" or "OK" buttons of Path and Startup dialogs "auto"-saves (all) the settings.
to pd-devs: if this is intended, maybe:
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
- "Preferences/Save all Preferences" menu entry could be removed.
Dan Wilcox @danomatikahttp://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.comhttp://danomatika.com robotcowboy.comhttp://robotcowboy.com
IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved
of course I agree with https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153 However I was referring to another "issue", which is about auto-saving behaviour of (only) some dialogs.
Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/
2017-12-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com:
IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved or be added to the existing settings when saving. They should only act as overrides to the settings. This is true for a number of flags such as -path for which I have a fix on Github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153
On Dec 27, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net To: Alexandros adrcki@gmail.com Cc: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com, Pd-List pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] How to get off verbose mode? Message-ID: CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Setting the -verbose flag adds it to the startup flags and if you *save* the settings the flag is saved as well
In fact, on Linux at least, you don't even need to *save* the settings: clicking "Apply" or "OK" buttons of Path and Startup dialogs "auto"-saves (all) the settings.
to pd-devs: if this is intended, maybe:
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
- "Preferences/Save all Preferences" menu entry could be removed.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
In that case,
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
I felt that way too but, as Miller pointed out, what happens when you use different hot pluggable sound devices? You wouldn't necessarily *want* to save a temporary device each time, that plus the GUI freezes for a bit when you save the preferences. I did enable auto saving for this dialog but it was *pretty* annoying to wait every time you close it.
There are definitely some things to fix regarding consistency, but there are still a few reasons why they don't quite match completely.
On Dec 27, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:
IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved
of course I agree with https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153 However I was referring to another "issue", which is about auto-saving behaviour of (only) some dialogs.
Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net/ __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/
2017-12-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>: IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved or be added to the existing settings when saving. They should only act as overrides to the settings. This is true for a number of flags such as -path for which I have a fix on Github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153 https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153
On Dec 27, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Antoine Rousseau <antoine@metalu.net mailto:antoine@metalu.net> To: Alexandros <adrcki@gmail.com mailto:adrcki@gmail.com> Cc: Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com mailto:danomatika@gmail.com>, Pd-List <pd-list@lists.iem.at mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> Subject: Re: [PD] How to get off verbose mode? Message-ID: <CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com mailto:CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Setting the -verbose flag adds it to the startup flags and if you *save* the settings the flag is saved as well
In fact, on Linux at least, you don't even need to *save* the settings: clicking "Apply" or "OK" buttons of Path and Startup dialogs "auto"-saves (all) the settings.
to pd-devs: if this is intended, maybe:
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
- "Preferences/Save all Preferences" menu entry could be removed.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
Thanks for explanations, sorry if I missed that.
The fact is that the current behavior leads to some confusion, as you know (e.g change "temporarily" the audio device, then open startup dialog, click OK, and voila, the audio device is saved...). So I see mainly 2 options that would fix that:
- saving settings to different files: general/audio/midi
- caching audio and midi settings from initial prefs file reading, and
overriding them only when "save audio settings" or "save midi settings" are triggered
#2 is better I guess...
Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/
2017-12-27 19:14 GMT+01:00 Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com:
In that case,
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
I felt that way too but, as Miller pointed out, what happens when you use different hot pluggable sound devices? You wouldn't necessarily *want* to save a temporary device each time, that plus the GUI freezes for a bit when you save the preferences. I did enable auto saving for this dialog but it was *pretty* annoying to wait every time you close it.
There are definitely some things to fix regarding consistency, but there are still a few reasons why they don't quite match completely.
On Dec 27, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net wrote:
IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved
of course I agree with https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153 However I was referring to another "issue", which is about auto-saving behaviour of (only) some dialogs.
Antoine Rousseau http://www.metalu.net http://metalu.net/ __ htt p://www.metaluachahuter.com/ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/
2017-12-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com:
IMO the startup flags like this should *not* be saved or be added to the existing settings when saving. They should only act as overrides to the settings. This is true for a number of flags such as -path for which I have a fix on Github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/153
On Dec 27, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
From: Antoine Rousseau antoine@metalu.net To: Alexandros adrcki@gmail.com Cc: Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com, Pd-List pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] How to get off verbose mode? Message-ID: CAOCG5Hy_ubfh3JSKUUJqSChdJHNvGaZHj6eDd425YjbXbMp-Bw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Setting the -verbose flag adds it to the startup flags and if you *save* the settings the flag is saved as well
In fact, on Linux at least, you don't even need to *save* the settings: clicking "Apply" or "OK" buttons of Path and Startup dialogs "auto"-saves (all) the settings.
to pd-devs: if this is intended, maybe:
- Audio and Midi could do as well, instead of their current "Save all
settings" buttons
- "Preferences/Save all Preferences" menu entry could be removed.
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
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