I can't get the cyclone object [active] to do anything in 0.38.4-extended-RC8. [tot] does work, but I had to manually copy tot.dll from the toxy folder to extra. This isn't a problem for me, but for the folks to whom I've distributed my patch. Anyone know what happened?
-Chuckk
Hello, what about using an installer for letting folks to use your distribution (your pd version with patches and externals), and a README file for experimented users that would be able to provide themselve needed libraries?
Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard@gmail.com a écrit : I can't get the cyclone object [active] to do anything in 0.38.4-extended-RC8. [tot] does work, but I had to manually copy tot.dll from the toxy folder to extra. This isn't a problem for me, but for the folks to whom I've distributed my patch. Anyone know what happened?
-Chuckk
I'd love to do this. Can you point me to a tutorial?
On 9/2/06, patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hello, what about using an installer for letting folks to use your distribution (your pd version with patches and externals), and a README file for experimented users that would be able to provide themselve needed libraries?
Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard@gmail.com a écrit : I can't get the cyclone object [active] to do anything in 0.38.4-extended-RC8. [tot] does work, but I had to manually copy tot.dll from the toxy folder to extra. This isn't a problem for me, but for the folks to whom I've distributed my patch. Anyone know what happened?
-Chuckk
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Hello Chuckk,
Chuckk Hubbard a écrit :
I'd love to do this. Can you point me to a tutorial?
On 9/2/06, patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hello, what about using an installer for letting folks to use your distribution
I don't know any tutorial, but an installer that can make this job for you:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
Install it and open an example script, and put the name with pathes of the files you want to provide.
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HC has wrote a tutorial for compiling pd-extended on windows with minGW:
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/mingw
At the end of the tutorial there is a link for the installer.
INNO installer will need an IDE to make the scripts for assembling all the provided files: http://www.istool.org/default.aspx/
Patco a écrit :
Hello Chuckk,
Chuckk Hubbard a écrit :
I'd love to do this. Can you point me to a tutorial?
On 9/2/06, patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hello, what about using an installer for letting folks to use your distribution
I don't know any tutorial, but an installer that can make this job for you:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
Install it and open an example script, and put the name with pathes of the files you want to provide.
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On 9/2/06, Patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hello Chuckk,
Chuckk Hubbard a écrit :
I'd love to do this. Can you point me to a tutorial?
On 9/2/06, patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hello, what about using an installer for letting folks to use your distribution
I don't know any tutorial, but an installer that can make this job for you:
http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
Install it and open an example script, and put the name with pathes of the files you want to provide.
This is great. I can't find out how to put in the Pd run-time flags, though, it gives errors no matter where I put them.
The only way i've found with INNO for starting pd with the pd tools I've developed and necessary options -nogui is my favorite one) is about including a batch file. I am actually looking for a way to compile a windows executable that would start pd with necessary options (-open, -nogui, -lib, '-etcaetera...'), if anyone has a solution, it might not be difficult for a "c" geek to show it, or may be there is a simplier or better solution? Here is a copy of my .iss file (pd only starts when I launch directly the batch file, but not with clicking on shortcuts made by INNO, I hope this helps.
; Script generated by the Inno Setup Script Wizard. ; SEE THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DETAILS ON CREATING INNO SETUP SCRIPT FILES!
[Setup] AppName=Mediale AppVerName=Mediale 1.0 DefaultDirName={pf}\Mediale DefaultGroupName=Mediale AllowNoIcons=yes LicenseFile=C:\Program Files\Inno Setup 5\license.txt ; InfoBeforeFile=C:\Program Files\Inno Setup 5\Examples\Readme.txt ; InfoAfterFile=C:\Program Files\Inno Setup 5\Examples\ISPPExample1License.txt OutputBaseFilename=MediaLe Compression=lzma SolidCompression=yes
[Languages] Name: "english"; MessagesFile: "compiler:Default.isl" Name: "french"; MessagesFile: "compiler:Languages\French.isl"
[Tasks] Name: "desktopicon"; Description: "{cm:CreateDesktopIcon}"; GroupDescription: "{cm:AdditionalIcons}"; Flags: unchecked Name: "quicklaunchicon"; Description: "{cm:CreateQuickLaunchIcon}"; GroupDescription: "{cm:AdditionalIcons}"; Flags: unchecked
[Files] Source: "C:\pd39\MediaLe.bat*"; DestDir: "{app}"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\asio*"; DestDir: "{app}\asio"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\bin*"; DestDir: "{app}\bin"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\tcl*"; DestDir: "{app}\tcl"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\lib*"; DestDir: "{app}\lib"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\extra\vasp*"; DestDir: "{app}\patch\vasp"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\patch\Rastaplay*"; DestDir: "{app}\patch"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\extra\Gem.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\zexy.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\tot.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\widget.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\OSC.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\xsample.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\expr.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\stripdir.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\cyclone.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\hammer.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\maxmode.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\fiddle~.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\init.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\py.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion ; NOTE: Don't use "Flags: ignoreversion" on any shared system files
[Icons] Name: "{group}\Mediale"; Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat" Name: "{group}{cm:UninstallProgram,Mediale}"; Filename: "{uninstallexe}" Name: "{userdesktop}\Mediale"; Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat"; Tasks: desktopicon Name: "{userappdata}\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\Mediale"; Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat"; Tasks: quicklaunchicon
[Run] Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat"; Description: "{cm:LaunchProgram,Mediale}"; Flags: nowait postinstall skipifsilent
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On Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 12:04:12AM +0200, Patco wrote:
The only way i've found with INNO for starting pd with the pd tools I've developed and necessary options -nogui is my favorite one) is about including a batch file. I am actually looking for a way to compile a windows executable that would start pd with necessary options (-open, -nogui, -lib, '-etcaetera...'),
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format as .pdrc on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
for whatever reason the patch was rejected, but the code proably lives on in the .ddrc reading portion of desiredata. i havent checked..
Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote:
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format as .pdrc on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
I like that. The only Windows machines I have access to are at work and there I'm not enabled to touch the registry anyways. Also I don't know many Windows users who are comfortable with the registry. I don't know many people at all who know their way around the registry.
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On Sep 4, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote:
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format as .pdrc on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
I like that. The only Windows machines I have access to are at work and there I'm not enabled to touch the registry anyways. Also I don't know many Windows users who are comfortable with the registry. I don't know many people at all who know their way around the registry.
Like it or not (I don't), the registry is the Windows-native way of
managing settings. I think we should try to be as native as possible
on each platform, so on Windows that means using the registry. For
what Pd uses the registry for, its really not that scary, and its
pretty straightforward to manage.
.hc
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into
the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess
himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
Is there documentation, of how to manually change the registry, and what the settings do?
Those of us who are attempting to use both Miller's PD, and extended, have found we must manually edit the registry. It's a little bit of a problem, since I'm not 100% sure what I should change...
I am a little bit against using the registry, for the above reason: Those of us who are running more than one install of PD, are ending up with registry entries that apply either to one, or the other.
Some kind of "config" or ".ini" or whatever file, would make it far easier to change options for one install, without messing up the other.
~David
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On Sep 4, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote:
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format as .pdrc on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
I like that. The only Windows machines I have access to are at work and there I'm not enabled to touch the registry anyways. Also I don't know many Windows users who are comfortable with the registry. I don't know many people at all who know their way around the registry.
Like it or not (I don't), the registry is the Windows-native way of managing settings. I think we should try to be as native as possible on each platform, so on Windows that means using the registry. For what Pd uses the registry for, its really not that scary, and its pretty straightforward to manage.
.hc
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On Sep 13, 2006, at 5:00 PM, David Powers wrote:
Is there documentation, of how to manually change the registry, and what the settings do?
All of the config settings are the same as the other platforms, they
are just stored in the registry instead of a file.
Those of us who are attempting to use both Miller's PD, and extended, have found we must manually edit the registry. It's a little bit of a problem, since I'm not 100% sure what I should change...
I am a little bit against using the registry, for the above reason: Those of us who are running more than one install of PD, are ending up with registry entries that apply either to one, or the other.
Some kind of "config" or ".ini" or whatever file, would make it far easier to change options for one install, without messing up the other.
Even better would be to ignore how the data is stored, since that
works fine regardless of anyone's feelings for the registry.
Instead, improve the Preference Panes so that you don't have to
manually edit the configs. Then everyone on all platforms will benefit.
.hc
~David
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On Sep 4, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote:
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format
as .pdrc
on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
I like that. The only Windows machines I have access to are at work and there I'm not enabled to touch the registry anyways. Also I
don't
know many Windows users who are comfortable with the registry. I
don't
know many people at all who know their way around the registry.
Like it or not (I don't), the registry is the Windows-native way of managing settings. I think we should try to be as native as possible on each platform, so on Windows that means using the registry. For what Pd uses the registry for, its really not that scary, and its pretty straightforward to manage.
.hc
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You have a point there. The Preferences panes often don't work at all correctly, I'm not really sure why. For example, I added a flag in startups, but then the flag stayed on afterwards, until I edited the registry.
There's also a limit in the amount of libraries and directories you can add, which is a SERIOUS shortcoming.
However, this still leaves the problem of having two PD's installed at once. Any suggestions on how that should be done? The reason I had to install two PD's, is I'm using a brand new experimental version of Gem, that crashes PD-extended. But help fiiles don't work for me in Miller's PD, so every time I want to check a help file, I open PD-extended and use that browser. I am essentially using Miller's PD, with all the extended stuff dumped into the extra section of it, as Patco suggested.
Anyway, finally, even though I edited the registry by guessing, I'm still mostly clueless what the entries do. Any chance of getting it documented? Is it documented in some other form I just don't realize?
~David
On 9/14/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Even better would be to ignore how the data is stored, since that works fine regardless of anyone's feelings for the registry. Instead, improve the Preference Panes so that you don't have to manually edit the configs. Then everyone on all platforms will benefit.
.hc
~David
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On Sep 4, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote:
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format
as .pdrc
on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
I like that. The only Windows machines I have access to are at work and there I'm not enabled to touch the registry anyways. Also I
don't
know many Windows users who are comfortable with the registry. I
don't
know many people at all who know their way around the registry.
Like it or not (I don't), the registry is the Windows-native way of managing settings. I think we should try to be as native as possible on each platform, so on Windows that means using the registry. For what Pd uses the registry for, its really not that scary, and its pretty straightforward to manage.
.hc
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For probably a year I couldn't get the startup or path dialogs to come up. I'd select them on the menu and nothing would happen. I think it went through three different versions of Pd. I wasn't that concerned, I just edited the registry directly. I checked, and the dialogs are working fine as of now.
-Chuckk
On 9/14/06, David Powers cyborgk@gmail.com wrote:
You have a point there. The Preferences panes often don't work at all correctly, I'm not really sure why. For example, I added a flag in startups, but then the flag stayed on afterwards, until I edited the registry.
There's also a limit in the amount of libraries and directories you can add, which is a SERIOUS shortcoming.
However, this still leaves the problem of having two PD's installed at once. Any suggestions on how that should be done? The reason I had to install two PD's, is I'm using a brand new experimental version of Gem, that crashes PD-extended. But help fiiles don't work for me in Miller's PD, so every time I want to check a help file, I open PD-extended and use that browser. I am essentially using Miller's PD, with all the extended stuff dumped into the extra section of it, as Patco suggested.
Anyway, finally, even though I edited the registry by guessing, I'm still mostly clueless what the entries do. Any chance of getting it documented? Is it documented in some other form I just don't realize?
~David
On 9/14/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Even better would be to ignore how the data is stored, since that works fine regardless of anyone's feelings for the registry. Instead, improve the Preference Panes so that you don't have to manually edit the configs. Then everyone on all platforms will benefit.
.hc
~David
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On Sep 4, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, carmen hat gesagt: // carmen wrote:
i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format
as .pdrc
on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer to add something to the registry.
I like that. The only Windows machines I have access to are at work and there I'm not enabled to touch the registry anyways. Also I
don't
know many Windows users who are comfortable with the registry. I
don't
know many people at all who know their way around the registry.
Like it or not (I don't), the registry is the Windows-native way of managing settings. I think we should try to be as native as possible on each platform, so on Windows that means using the registry. For what Pd uses the registry for, its really not that scary, and its pretty straightforward to manage.
.hc
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. - Thomas Jefferson
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, David Powers wrote:
The Preferences panes often don't work at all correctly, I'm not really sure why. For example, I added a flag in startups, but then the flag stayed on afterwards, until I edited the registry. There's also a limit in the amount of libraries and directories you can add, which is a SERIOUS shortcoming.
You could steal the preference panes from DesireData. They support illimited library lines, illimited path lines, and illimited helppath lines. PureData dialogs support respectively ten, ten, and zero. (Well, I do believe helppath is still missing from the dialogs, yes?)
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On Sep 3, 2006, at 7:26 PM, carmen wrote:
On Mon Sep 04, 2006 at 12:04:12AM +0200, Patco wrote:
The only way i've found with INNO for starting pd with the pd
tools I've developed and necessary options -nogui is my favorite one) is about including a batch file. I am actually looking for a way to compile a windows executable
that would start pd with necessary options (-open, -nogui, -lib, '-etcaetera...'),i added a patch to the tracker a while back for pd.ini support on
windows. easier than a batch file since its the same format
as .pdrc on 'n[iu]x, and obviously easier than using an installer
to add something to the registry.for whatever reason the patch was rejected, but the code proably
lives on in the .ddrc reading portion of desiredata. i havent
checked..
.reg files are easy to make, there is one included in the Windows
installer that you can use as an exmaple. Then you just double-click
to install the registry settings.
.hc
Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic.
It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and
expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war
on terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom
Thanks, that works, the batch file is good enough for now. I've got to work out how to get a similar thing on OSX, that's what my soon-to-be microtonal composition teacher uses. The only way I know to make an exe file is through C. It doesn't seem like it would be too hard to make a C program open Pd with flags. That would also be cross-platform. Let me know if you figure it out.
-Chuckk
On 9/3/06, Patco megalegoland@yahoo.fr wrote:
The only way i've found with INNO for starting pd with the pd tools I've developed and necessary options -nogui is my favorite one) is about including a batch file. I am actually looking for a way to compile a windows executable that would start pd with necessary options (-open, -nogui, -lib, '-etcaetera...'), if anyone has a solution, it might not be difficult for a "c" geek to show it, or may be there is a simplier or better solution? Here is a copy of my .iss file (pd only starts when I launch directly the batch file, but not with clicking on shortcuts made by INNO, I hope this helps.
; Script generated by the Inno Setup Script Wizard. ; SEE THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DETAILS ON CREATING INNO SETUP SCRIPT FILES!
[Setup] AppName=Mediale AppVerName=Mediale 1.0 DefaultDirName={pf}\Mediale DefaultGroupName=Mediale AllowNoIcons=yes LicenseFile=C:\Program Files\Inno Setup 5\license.txt ; InfoBeforeFile=C:\Program Files\Inno Setup 5\Examples\Readme.txt ; InfoAfterFile=C:\Program Files\Inno Setup 5\Examples\ISPPExample1License.txt OutputBaseFilename=MediaLe Compression=lzma SolidCompression=yes
[Languages] Name: "english"; MessagesFile: "compiler:Default.isl" Name: "french"; MessagesFile: "compiler:Languages\French.isl"
[Tasks] Name: "desktopicon"; Description: "{cm:CreateDesktopIcon}"; GroupDescription: "{cm:AdditionalIcons}"; Flags: unchecked Name: "quicklaunchicon"; Description: "{cm:CreateQuickLaunchIcon}"; GroupDescription: "{cm:AdditionalIcons}"; Flags: unchecked
[Files] Source: "C:\pd39\MediaLe.bat*"; DestDir: "{app}"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\asio*"; DestDir: "{app}\asio"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\bin*"; DestDir: "{app}\bin"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\tcl*"; DestDir: "{app}\tcl"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\lib*"; DestDir: "{app}\lib"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\extra\vasp*"; DestDir: "{app}\patch\vasp"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\patch\Rastaplay*"; DestDir: "{app}\patch"; Flags: ignoreversion recursesubdirs createallsubdirs Source: "C:\pd39\extra\Gem.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\zexy.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\tot.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\widget.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\OSC.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\xsample.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\expr.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\stripdir.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\cyclone.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\hammer.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\maxmode.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\fiddle~.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\init.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion Source: "C:\pd39\extra\py.dll"; DestDir: "{app}\extra"; Flags: ignoreversion ; NOTE: Don't use "Flags: ignoreversion" on any shared system files
[Icons] Name: "{group}\Mediale"; Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat" Name: "{group}{cm:UninstallProgram,Mediale}"; Filename: "{uninstallexe}" Name: "{userdesktop}\Mediale"; Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat"; Tasks: desktopicon Name: "{userappdata}\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch\Mediale"; Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat"; Tasks: quicklaunchicon
[Run] Filename: "{app}\MediaLe.bat"; Description: "{cm:LaunchProgram,Mediale}"; Flags: nowait postinstall skipifsilent
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Chuckk Hubbard a écrit : It doesn't seem
like it would be too hard to make a C program open Pd with flags. That would also be cross-platform. Let me know if you figure it out.
Yes certainly, but my pd project uses python (through pyex) for the interface (tkinter's libs work perfectly with -nogui), so I've finally chosen to install python 2.4 (or maybe I should suggest to install it on the README.txt?) with pd and launch the project with a .py file with the code given by Miller in a recent topic.
best regards,
Patco.
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It also doesn't run Pd if I install without the flags. I'm guessing I have to tell it to run the Pd installer file first, then install my stuff, then run my stuff with the necessary flags?
Even better, how about fixing this problem in the Pd-extended
installer? There are a lot of really trivial bugs in the Windows
distro that would be easy to fix and make life much better for
Windows users. Its just that no one seems to want to work on Windows.
.hc
On Sep 2, 2006, at 4:07 AM, patco wrote:
Hello, what about using an installer for letting folks to use your
distribution (your pd version with patches and externals), and a
README file for experimented users that would be able to provide
themselve needed libraries?Chuckk Hubbard badmuthahubbard@gmail.com a écrit : I can't get the cyclone object [active] to do anything in 0.38.4- extended-RC8. [tot] does work, but I had to manually copy tot.dll from the toxy folder to extra. This isn't a problem for me, but for the folks to whom I've distributed my patch. Anyone know what happened?
-Chuckk
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Probably because once people learn to program and if they don't work for a commercial software firm, they'd rather leverage (and extend) their knowledge with the open codebase that GNU/Lnix provides instead of tinkering on Windows.
Kind of a Catch-22, eh?
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Even better, how about fixing this problem in the Pd-extended installer? There are a lot of really trivial bugs in the Windows distro that would be easy to fix and make life much better for Windows users. Its just that no one seems to want to work on Windows.
.hc
Unfortunately, professional musicians who aren't programmers can't rely on free open source software at this point. I tried, though I was leery about Lilypond, I gave it a chance and got pretty interested in it. Then for whatever reason it began arbitrarily leaving out ties. Whatever drawbacks Windows and Mac have, I've never had that happen in Finale or Sibelius. The Lilypond group didn't care and didn't appreciate me mentioning it. I was really gung-ho about OSS, but if I need something by tomorrow I need it by tomorrow. I also had problems with Rosegarden et al. No open-source programmer wants to spend weeks or months making infinitesimal changes to an interface to shave seconds off some shmoe's production time, for free. And that shmoe (me, for instance) is likely to rely on a system that has software designed to shave seconds off his production time. I suspect this is changing.
On 9/13/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Probably because once people learn to program and if they don't work for a commercial software firm, they'd rather leverage (and extend) their knowledge with the open codebase that GNU/Lnix provides instead of tinkering on Windows.
Kind of a Catch-22, eh?
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Even better, how about fixing this problem in the Pd-extended installer? There are a lot of really trivial bugs in the Windows distro that would be easy to fix and make life much better for Windows users. Its just that no one seems to want to work on Windows.
.hc
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The real difference between Finale and Lillypond is that people have
spent a lot more time fixing bugs on Finale since they've been paid
to do it. Most free software programming is done on a volunteer basis.
That said, every little contribution helps. If you are not a C or
Tcl hacker, you can still contribute a lot. Documentation is always
needed. And a Pd patch that will reliably trigger a bug is 90% of
the work for fixing that bug.
.hc
On Sep 13, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Unfortunately, professional musicians who aren't programmers can't rely on free open source software at this point. I tried, though I was leery about Lilypond, I gave it a chance and got pretty interested in it. Then for whatever reason it began arbitrarily leaving out ties. Whatever drawbacks Windows and Mac have, I've never had that happen in Finale or Sibelius. The Lilypond group didn't care and didn't appreciate me mentioning it. I was really gung-ho about OSS, but if I need something by tomorrow I need it by tomorrow. I also had problems with Rosegarden et al. No open-source programmer wants to spend weeks or months making infinitesimal changes to an interface to shave seconds off some shmoe's production time, for free. And that shmoe (me, for instance) is likely to rely on a system that has software designed to shave seconds off his production time. I suspect this is changing.
On 9/13/06, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
Probably because once people learn to program and if they don't work for a commercial software firm, they'd rather leverage (and extend) their knowledge with the open codebase that GNU/Lnix provides instead of tinkering on Windows.
Kind of a Catch-22, eh?
On 9/13/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Even better, how about fixing this problem in the Pd-extended
installer?
There are a lot of really trivial bugs in the Windows distro
that would be
easy to fix and make life much better for Windows users. Its
just that no
one seems to want to work on Windows.
.hc
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Discalimer: not really PD related...
"Chuckk Hubbard" badmuthahubbard@gmail.com writes:
Unfortunately, professional musicians who aren't programmers can't rely on free open source software at this point.
Why not? I just glanced at the "MacWorld's Music & Sound Bible" (1992) and I realize that the state of open-source music software is a little like the Mac in the 1992. Well, granted, some things are a little more advanced, other lag a little, but still. If professional musicians were able to produce professional music back then, using a Mac with a (quite an impressive, actually) number of applications why can't they do that now on linux with OSS?
I mean, there is even a short example of how to edit a sound sample with RezEdit! Common, this is even more hardcore than using SND!
(Side note. There actually is a mention of Opcode's Max on page 12 and 77. Merely mentioning that it is a visual iconic MIDI programming language and that visual programming is easier than opject oriented programming).
I tried, though I was leery about Lilypond, I gave it a chance and got pretty interested in it. Then for whatever reason it began arbitrarily leaving out ties. Whatever drawbacks Windows and Mac have, I've never had that happen in Finale or Sibelius.
Hmm... they must have improved a lot. I found finale the most PITA notation software around (but at the same the most flexible at the time, which was mid-90s). Not to mention that often the WYSIWYG of finale was more on the WYSIWYG-M (what you see is what you get - maybe) side.
Oh, the best notation package (but also the slowest, the most crash-prone) was Igor Engraver. You can still buy it but the company does not exist anymore, it seems, and don't count on any support. A few old hardcore users still use it and come up with new workarounds to get by.
but if I need something by tomorrow I need it by tomorrow.
And you can typset a score in Finale for tomorrow? Wow!
No open-source programmer wants to spend weeks or months making infinitesimal changes to an interface to shave seconds off some shmoe's production time, for free.
And which proprietary software company wants to do such thing? What I found interesting with lilypond is that you can sponsor a feature. the bugs are squished for "free". If you want a specific feature, the programmer gives a price and you walk home happy. I am not too up-to-date with commercial software but I would love to know which boxed applications provide such flexibility.
And that shmoe (me, for instance) is likely to rely on a system that has software designed to shave seconds off his production time.
Or pile up a few more minutes or hours in case you want to do something that 99% of users will never do. And suppose the developers think it's a great idea to add to the sofwtare. How many more days, weeks, months will you have to wait for an upgrade? Oh, and you will most likely pay the same price again.
I suspect this is changing.
I don't know. I don't think so. A lot of OSS software is modelled after the commercial software and so it usually lags behind. Some software is unique and does not have commercial equivalent. The thing is that just like 14 years ago on a Mac you did what you could with what you had (and it was still several thousands of dollars, including hardware) you can easily do with what you have and go with 100% OSS. I started using linux for music in 1997 (on a PPC and most audio software was not yet bit-order friendly!) and having upgraded from a MacOS8.7 loaded with all the lates warez... ehm... sorry... thousands of dollars worth of commecial super-slick software, I had to change the way I though about music production. I never liked protools et al. anyways. The commercial software world keeps up with usage trends (or sets trends). OSS software is often an experiment in implementing some way of thinking that is not already covered by another application. Sometimes your way of thinking fits, sometimes it doesn't.
Now, the question arises: but am I a professional musician? I guess not. I'm still keeping my day-job.
./MiS
On 15 Sep 2006 00:36:50 -0400, Michal Seta mis@artengine.ca wrote:
Hmm... they must have improved a lot. I found finale the most PITA notation software around (but at the same the most flexible at the time, which was mid-90s). Not to mention that often the WYSIWYG of finale was more on the WYSIWYG-M (what you see is what you get - maybe) side.
And you can typset a score in Finale for tomorrow? Wow!
I think that Finale did improve a lot, I use it all the time and it's quite fast when you get to know it. I used to hate it, and was very resistant to using it when I was in college. But I think the interface improved somewhat, and I suppose I just got used to it as well. It took me a while, to quit notating everything by hand, but it certainly helps not having to recopy parts when you change a line an hour before rehearsal! I've never tried Lilypond though, so I can't compare.
Now, on the other hand, I have a specific notational need, that I don't know any way of meeting currently: I want to write scores that contain noteheads, but no stems or time signatures, with one line being relative. I'd also like said program to be able to give an approximate performance of said notation, with each line lasting duration X. I've actually considered, whether I could use Gem, and capture the output as images, to create my score! If anyone thinks there's a way that PD could help .... let me know!
(I do make files like this in Finale, but it is a PAIN because I have to pretend that there's a time signature, and then set it to hide stems and such after it's notated. Very slow since measures end up being 19/8 and such...)
I suspect this is changing.
I don't know. I don't think so. A lot of OSS software is modelled after the commercial software and so it usually lags behind. Some software is unique and does not have commercial equivalent. The thing is that just like 14 years ago on a Mac you did what you could with what you had (and it was still several thousands of dollars, including hardware) you can easily do with what you have and go with 100% OSS. I started using linux for music in 1997 (on a PPC and most audio software was not yet bit-order friendly!) and having upgraded from a MacOS8.7 loaded with all the lates warez... ehm... sorry... thousands of dollars worth of commecial super-slick software, I had to change the way I though about music production. I never liked protools et al. anyways. The commercial software world keeps up with usage trends (or sets trends). OSS software is often an experiment in implementing some way of thinking that is not already covered by another application. Sometimes your way of thinking fits, sometimes it doesn't.
Well, until there is an open source Ableton, and Reaktor, Kontakt and Intakt, I'm stuck doing many things on WinXP (or Mac, but PC's are cheaper). Also, there are many VST's, free or cheap for WinXP, that I just can't do without. (But PD does run them usually on WinXP, which I hope to take fuller advantage of in the future)...
A lot of my musical needs ARE in the mainstream. About 10-20% of the time, I need things more experimental.
When I'm being experimental and don't have as well-defined needs, it's easier to try open source stuff. I started doing visuals and quite successful have built a PD-gem VJ interface, and I'm thinking about using Pure:Dyne to try out fluxus and see how that goes.
But for some things, the commercial stuff just works. For the record, I hate Cubase. I'd love to replace it. But I don't know of any realistic alternative...
~David
"David Powers" cyborgk@gmail.com writes:
resistant to using it when I was in college. But I think the interface improved somewhat, and I suppose I just got used to it as well.
You mean, you don't have to click through several dialog boxes in order to get to some specific feature?
It took me a while, to quit notating everything by hand, but it certainly helps not having to recopy parts when you change a line an hour before rehearsal! I've never tried Lilypond though, so I can't compare.
in lilypond you work backwards. You set up one document which contains the full score and you define parts/instruments in (usually) a sperate file(s).
Now, on the other hand, I have a specific notational need, that I don't know any way of meeting currently: I want to write scores that contain noteheads, but no stems or time signatures, with one line being relative.
It should be fairly straight-forward with lilypond in the /cadenzaOn context (and of course setting up the staff with one line and hiding various engraver elements (such as stems, beams, rests, whatever) globally.
I'd also like said program to be able to give an approximate performance of said notation, with each line lasting duration X.
lilypond probably can't do this but maybe there'd be a way to hack something up with guile.
I've actually considered, whether I could use Gem, and capture the output as images, to create my score! If anyone thinks there's a way that PD could help .... let me know!
How about scoring the music in PD (or Pd) (and performing it via MIDI or whatnot) and transcribing it into a lilypond score.
Well, until there is an open source Ableton, and Reaktor, Kontakt and Intakt, I'm stuck doing many things on WinXP (or Mac, but PC's are cheaper).
except for Ableton, which I tried for a few days some years ago, I don't even know what we're talking about (I've heard of Reaktor but never used/seen it). But I see what you mean.
A lot of my musical needs ARE in the mainstream. About 10-20% of the time, I need things more experimental.
I really don't see the correlation between mainstream music and commercial software. It's not like you cannot write 4/4 music in C major, using I-IV-V chord progressions using existing open-source software (in linux on top of that).
When I'm being experimental and don't have as well-defined needs, it's easier to try open source stuff.
Actually, there are 2 applications that I miss from my mac days: thonk and Argeïphontes Lyre. So good for experimental stuff. Nothing like that exists in the open-source world.
But for some things, the commercial stuff just works. For the record, I hate Cubase. I'd love to replace it. But I don't know of any realistic alternative...
Sorry, can't help you with that. The last time I used Cubase was in 1995. It's true, it was useless.
./MiS
On 15 Sep 2006 00:36:50 -0400, Michal Seta mis@artengine.ca wrote:
Discalimer: not really PD related...
"Chuckk Hubbard" badmuthahubbard@gmail.com writes:
Unfortunately, professional musicians who aren't programmers can't rely on free open source software at this point.
I apologize, this was an incendiary thing to say. All I really meant by professional is someone who is working for deadlines, as opposed to having time to wait for bug fixes and feature requests. How fast is the turnaround for sponsored features in LP? On the other hand, the professional with a good command of Csound has a great advantage. Sound production is great in OSS. I was thinking more of interfaces and printing music. I mentioned something once in the Rosegarden mailing list that would immediately make editing faster (one tool for adding and editing notes instead of two), and was met with arguments about 'how hard is it to scroll down on the pop-up menu and select the edit function?' etc. Sure it only takes a second, but doing it a thousand times takes a thousand seconds. I've never had to write to Finale or Sibelius (my school has both, so I could compare and choose Sibelius) with an issue. When I used Ben Johnston's microtonal accidentals, I had to draw them myself, and they didn't playback, but in LP I would have had to use another program to draw them. Don't get me wrong, I despise both Windows and Mac, but Sibelius and Finale don't ignore ties that I insert the day before my lesson. On the other hand, last year I programmed my own interface for composing in extended tunings in Pure Data. Pd has things Reaktor and Max don't that made this possible. I just can't rely on Lilypond right now.
-Chuckk
Why not? I just glanced at the "MacWorld's Music & Sound Bible" (1992) and I realize that the state of open-source music software is a little like the Mac in the 1992. Well, granted, some things are a little more advanced, other lag a little, but still. If professional musicians were able to produce professional music back then, using a Mac with a (quite an impressive, actually) number of applications why can't they do that now on linux with OSS?
I mean, there is even a short example of how to edit a sound sample with RezEdit! Common, this is even more hardcore than using SND!
(Side note. There actually is a mention of Opcode's Max on page 12 and 77. Merely mentioning that it is a visual iconic MIDI programming language and that visual programming is easier than opject oriented programming).
I tried, though I was leery about Lilypond, I gave it a chance and got pretty interested in it. Then for whatever reason it began arbitrarily leaving out ties. Whatever drawbacks Windows and Mac have, I've never had that happen in Finale or Sibelius.
Hmm... they must have improved a lot. I found finale the most PITA notation software around (but at the same the most flexible at the time, which was mid-90s). Not to mention that often the WYSIWYG of finale was more on the WYSIWYG-M (what you see is what you get - maybe) side.
Oh, the best notation package (but also the slowest, the most crash-prone) was Igor Engraver. You can still buy it but the company does not exist anymore, it seems, and don't count on any support. A few old hardcore users still use it and come up with new workarounds to get by.
but if I need something by tomorrow I need it by tomorrow.
And you can typset a score in Finale for tomorrow? Wow!
No open-source programmer wants to spend weeks or months making infinitesimal changes to an interface to shave seconds off some shmoe's production time, for free.
And which proprietary software company wants to do such thing? What I found interesting with lilypond is that you can sponsor a feature. the bugs are squished for "free". If you want a specific feature, the programmer gives a price and you walk home happy. I am not too up-to-date with commercial software but I would love to know which boxed applications provide such flexibility.
And that shmoe (me, for instance) is likely to rely on a system that has software designed to shave seconds off his production time.
Or pile up a few more minutes or hours in case you want to do something that 99% of users will never do. And suppose the developers think it's a great idea to add to the sofwtare. How many more days, weeks, months will you have to wait for an upgrade? Oh, and you will most likely pay the same price again.
I suspect this is changing.
I don't know. I don't think so. A lot of OSS software is modelled after the commercial software and so it usually lags behind. Some software is unique and does not have commercial equivalent. The thing is that just like 14 years ago on a Mac you did what you could with what you had (and it was still several thousands of dollars, including hardware) you can easily do with what you have and go with 100% OSS. I started using linux for music in 1997 (on a PPC and most audio software was not yet bit-order friendly!) and having upgraded from a MacOS8.7 loaded with all the lates warez... ehm... sorry... thousands of dollars worth of commecial super-slick software, I had to change the way I though about music production. I never liked protools et al. anyways. The commercial software world keeps up with usage trends (or sets trends). OSS software is often an experiment in implementing some way of thinking that is not already covered by another application. Sometimes your way of thinking fits, sometimes it doesn't.
Now, the question arises: but am I a professional musician? I guess not. I'm still keeping my day-job.
./MiS
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