On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:11 PM, András Murányi wrote:

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:

Hey all,

Since there is the serious GUI bug with Pd 0.41, including Pd- extended 0.41.4, I think it would be good to start the release
process for Pd-extended 0.42 now. If you are planning on adding a
library to Pd-extended (pdmtl?), or making substantial changes (pdp +cv?), then we should coordinate to make sure that stuff goes
smoothly.

This is the wiki page for tracking what has changed and what needs
doing for the next release. Please add things that need doing, and
anything that has changed.

http://puredata.info/dev/NextRelease

"add 'books' section to help browser for the books" - please what do
we exactly mean here? Andras

I was thinking of adding clickable links to the Pd books:

http://puredata.info/docs/BooksAboutPd

.hc

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telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out
how to use my telephone." --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++)

On Oct 5, 2009, at 1:40 PM, András Murányi wrote:

2009/10/5 Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.at

On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:11 PM, András Murányi wrote:

...

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans@at.or.at wrote:

Hey all,

Since there is the serious GUI bug with Pd 0.41, including Pd- extended 0.41.4, I think it would be good to start the release
process for Pd-extended 0.42 now. If you are planning on adding a
library to Pd-extended (pdmtl?), or making substantial changes (pdp +cv?), then we should coordinate to make sure that stuff goes
smoothly.

This is the wiki page for tracking what has changed and what needs
doing for the next release. Please add things that need doing, and
anything that has changed.

http://puredata.info/dev/NextRelease

"add 'books' section to help browser for the books" - please what
do we exactly mean here? Andras

I was thinking of adding clickable links to the Pd books:

http://puredata.info/docs/BooksAboutPd

.hc

Alrite, 'books' sounded a bit alien not only because real books are
offline but also because they cost money, so linking them is almost
advertising. While i actually have no objections against stuffing the help menu
with all kinds of interesting items i can see more fantasy in
integrating those online sources with a help search function. Then
it could also look up Youtube videos, pd-list messages, whatsoever.

Yes, I think we can add all sorts of resources there. The idea is to
make all the resources more findable. That means doing it right, not
just dumping a bunch of stuff there, which is more or less what has
happened in the past ;)

.hc

"[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today [is] my own
government." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

2009/10/6 Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, András Murányi wrote:

Alrite, 'books' sounded a bit alien not only because real books are

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offline but also because they cost money,

I come from the year 2078 to tell you that real books are a purpose and not a device. A book is a convenient unit of a large amount of text. Virtual books are not virtual, because their purpose is real, and so is their usefulness. And electronic books are not electronic, because fileformats never cared about electrons. And regardless of the money that they cost or that they don't, books can be quite priceless.

_ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801

Books play an important role in my life too. So do women, so i want the address & phone no of chicks with pd on the help menu ;o) Seriously my point was not that books are uncool but 1) you cannot access them by clicking through 2) we may not want to link to non-free resources. But again, i don't object i just brought these aspects up. I welcome all fun stuff in my help menu, up to the available screen height.

Andras

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:

András Murányi wrote:

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Seriously my point was not that books are uncool but 1) you cannot access them by clicking through 2) we may not want to link to non-free

resources.

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But again, i don't object i just brought these aspects up. I welcome all

fun

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stuff in my help menu, up to the available screen height.

almost ignoring your slightly sexist statement, i would like to point you to the fact that most books on/with/about pd until now are available for free (as in beer, if this is what you care about). apart from that it might have occured to one or the other, that all those willing hands that make Pd what it currently is have to eat and make their living. i guess writing (and selling!) books on pd is not necessarily the worst way. the annoyance factor of a menu-entry called "books" is pretty low for me (given that it is a passive link you have to actively choose and anybody who understands the meaining of "book" will probably understand that when they click on it they _might_ be directed to pay service)

really, i am a FLOSS enthusiast, but people wanting everything for gratis piss me off this morning.

apart from all of that, i suggest creating a submenu "shameless advertisement" where we can put the "books" into.

fgmasdrt IOhannes

You have convinced me, books make sense in the Help menu. As for sexism, yes i am, but i am really sorry for having shown it off on the list. Sleep deprivation, et cetera.

Andras