hi all,
sorry for bringing this up again, it has been widely discussed before:
i wanted to join the party complaining about the new behaviour of prompting the user to save his/her work in PD 0.39. for me this is definitely a step in the wrong direction though i can uinderstand the pros.
for me as an enthusiatic PD-user, one of the big advantages of PD over let's say MAX, is that editing can be done so fast and fluent. starting from the ctrl-1 etc. shortcuts for objects, messages etc. (a concept that saves hours of mouse-moving and that MAX still doesn't offer) to the ability to edit abstractions without having to open the orginal first.
now, with PD 0.39 editing time has increased a fair amount because of all this endless confirming dialogues and the main PD window getting focus after doing so. also, i really don't understand why a window that hasn't been changed at all gets a "dirty" flag (as it is now with PD'S help patches) and why editing an abstraction also sets the "dirty" flag to the main patcher window.
if miller has are really good reasons to keep with this - too bad for me. but someone suggested a kind of preferences thing where the user can change these behaviours individually (plus the possibility of defining shortcuts).
now that would be a compromise i could live with.
please consider ! don't slow down PD ! ;-)
thanks for listening to my mourning
oliver
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, oliver wrote:
i wanted to join the party complaining about the new behaviour of prompting the user to save his/her work in PD 0.39. for me this is definitely a step in the wrong direction though i can uinderstand the pros.
Particularly infuriating is the "Close this window??" dialog with the nervous double question mark?? and which happens on *every* window, *even* a fresh empty one. Excitingly, this dialog box is not defined in lib/pd/bin/pd.tk, so you can't change this in a precompiled pd, because you have to edit C code and then recompile.
I agree that sometimes one may want to have this feature, especially because most keyboards have Ctrl+E and Ctrl+W really close to each other, so people with big fingers are at a disadvantage here. But really, it should be an option.
say MAX, is that editing can be done so fast and fluent.
you might mean "fluid" here.
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i think this is known too but nevertheless once more:
if one has a empty patch open with zero information pd asks questions.
but if there is an unsaved patch and clicks on the close window icon
of the pd-window pd closes the unsaved patch without questions.
m.
Am 19.04.2006 um 19:31 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, oliver wrote:
i wanted to join the party complaining about the new behaviour of prompting the user to save his/her work in PD 0.39. for me this is definitely a step in the wrong direction though i can uinderstand the pros.
Particularly infuriating is the "Close this window??" dialog with the nervous double question mark?? and which happens on *every* window,
*even* a fresh empty one. Excitingly, this dialog box is not defined in lib/pd/bin/pd.tk, so you can't change this in a precompiled pd,
because you have to edit C code and then recompile.I agree that sometimes one may want to have this feature, especially because most keyboards have Ctrl+E and Ctrl+W really close to each
other, so people with big fingers are at a disadvantage here. But really, it should be an option.say MAX, is that editing can be done so fast and fluent.
you might mean "fluid" here.
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Max Neupert wrote:
i think this is known too but nevertheless once more:
if one has a empty patch open with zero information pd asks questions. but if there is an unsaved patch and clicks on the close window icon
of the pd-window pd closes the unsaved patch without questions.
You too can fix this in pd 039 by adding the line:
wm protocol . WM_DELETE_WINDOW menu_quit
immediately after the lines:
wm title . "Pd" . configure -menu .mbar -width 200 -height 150
in the file named pd.tk in pd/bin.
See https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1469890...
Martin
On Apr 20, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Martin Peach wrote:
Max Neupert wrote:
i think this is known too but nevertheless once more:
if one has a empty patch open with zero information pd asks
questions. but if there is an unsaved patch and clicks on the close window
icon of the pd-window pd closes the unsaved patch without questions.You too can fix this in pd 039 by adding the line:
wm protocol . WM_DELETE_WINDOW menu_quit
immediately after the lines:
wm title . "Pd" . configure -menu .mbar -width 200 -height 150
in the file named pd.tk in pd/bin.
See https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? func=detail&atid=478072&aid=1469890&group_id=55736
I added the patch to Pd-extended. But in general diff -uw format is
vastly preferred to straight diff format. its much more flexible and
fault-tolerant.
I converted it and added to the patch tracker.
.hc
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The only time I can see that the "Close Window" prompt would be
useful is during a performance, when you really don't want to
accidentally close a running window. I think the solution is to have
a preference to enable the "Close Window" prompt and have it default
to off.
.hc
On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Max Neupert wrote:
i think this is known too but nevertheless once more:
if one has a empty patch open with zero information pd asks questions. but if there is an unsaved patch and clicks on the close window
icon of the pd-window pd closes the unsaved patch without questions.m.
Am 19.04.2006 um 19:31 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, oliver wrote:
i wanted to join the party complaining about the new behaviour of prompting the user to save his/her work in PD 0.39. for me this is definitely a step in the wrong direction though i can uinderstand
the pros.Particularly infuriating is the "Close this window??" dialog with the nervous double question mark?? and which happens on *every*
window, *even* a fresh empty one. Excitingly, this dialog box is not defined in lib/pd/bin/pd.tk, so you can't change this in a precompiled pd,
because you have to edit C code and then recompile.I agree that sometimes one may want to have this feature, especially because most keyboards have Ctrl+E and Ctrl+W really close to each
other, so people with big fingers are at a disadvantage here. But really, it should be an option.say MAX, is that editing can be done so fast and fluent.
you might mean "fluid" here.
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