The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) :
http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
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Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I needed.
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
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Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
this was the old way to do (but still working fine). i think it can be faster to render in a framebuffer, and use this framebuffer as a texture to draw in a 2nd framebuffer. and drawing back to the 1st. etc. there are also some example in the glsl section. jack also send a simple exemple somwhere recently.
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Derek Holzer a écrit :
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I needed.
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
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Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
which objects could be used to make this framebuffer? d.
cyrille henry wrote:
this was the old way to do (but still working fine). i think it can be faster to render in a framebuffer, and use this framebuffer as a texture to draw in a 2nd framebuffer. and drawing back to the 1st. etc. there are also some example in the glsl section. jack also send a simple exemple somwhere recently.
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Derek Holzer a écrit :
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I needed.
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
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Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
Second question: would I gain anything by bridging between GEM and PDP for something like this? Or would the [gem2pdp] and [pdp2gem] use more resources than I would gain from using PDP in this situation?
D.
Derek Holzer wrote:
which objects could be used to make this framebuffer? d.
cyrille henry wrote:
this was the old way to do (but still working fine). i think it can be faster to render in a framebuffer, and use this framebuffer as a texture to draw in a 2nd framebuffer. and drawing back to the 1st. etc. there are also some example in the glsl section. jack also send a simple exemple somwhere recently.
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I needed.
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
Derek Holzer a écrit :
which objects could be used to make this framebuffer?
gemframebuffer.
here is the patch jack send recently on the list. cyrille
d.
cyrille henry wrote:
this was the old way to do (but still working fine). i think it can be faster to render in a framebuffer, and use this framebuffer as a texture to draw in a 2nd framebuffer. and drawing back to the 1st. etc. there are also some example in the glsl section. jack also send a simple exemple somwhere recently.
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I needed.
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
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Thanks. I know that it is inherent in the system, but is there a way to control the "fuzziness" of each iteration, so that the image loses its alpha value but retains the sharpness of it's outlines?
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
Derek Holzer a écrit :
which objects could be used to make this framebuffer?
gemframebuffer.
here is the patch jack send recently on the list. cyrille
d.
cyrille henry wrote:
this was the old way to do (but still working fine). i think it can be faster to render in a framebuffer, and use this framebuffer as a texture to draw in a 2nd framebuffer. and drawing back to the 1st. etc. there are also some example in the glsl section. jack also send a simple exemple somwhere recently.
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I needed.
D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio-responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here:
http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 http://www.vimeo.com/3003040
although I would encourage people to go through the whole thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest.
I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any suggestions?
best! Derek
There is a nice one included in pdmtl called gems.win.feedback
.hc
On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
Thanks. I know that it is inherent in the system, but is there a way
to control the "fuzziness" of each iteration, so that the image
loses its alpha value but retains the sharpness of it's outlines?D.
cyrille henry wrote:
Derek Holzer a écrit :
which objects could be used to make this framebuffer?
gemframebuffer. here is the patch jack send recently on the list. cyrille
d.
cyrille henry wrote:
this was the old way to do (but still working fine). i think it can be faster to render in a framebuffer, and use this
framebuffer as a texture to draw in a 2nd framebuffer. and drawing back to the 1st. etc. there are also some example in the glsl section. jack also send a simple exemple somwhere recently.++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit :
Thanks much! [pix_snap2tex] is exactly the starting point I
needed.D.
cyrille henry wrote:
look at gem exemple 07.feedback in 07.texture directory and also at "self similar" performance by Ben bogart (2004) : http://www.ekran.org/ben/wp/?page_id=101
++ c
Derek Holzer a écrit : > The other night I watched a very nice lecture from Paul
> Prudence (dataisnature.com). He uses VVVV to make audio- > responsive video feedback, where a single shape (a square) is
> recursively displayed, causing very complex structures to
> arise. The relevant parts of the lecture are here: > > http://www.vimeo.com/2930699 > http://www.vimeo.com/3003040 > > although I would encourage people to go through the whole
> thing (11 parts on Vimeo) if they have time + interest. > > I'd at a loss to think of how something similar, i.e. the
> recursive feedback, could be done in GEM or PDP. Any
> suggestions? > > best! > Derek >-- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 48: "Discover your formulas and abandon them"
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hello, and so is there a way to work with pdp only to do this ??? thx david
http://www.yourmachines.org/tutorials/pdvideolan.html
t'es in t'es bat wrote:
hello, and so is there a way to work with pdp only to do this ??? thx david
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here's a feedback filter that uses gemframebuffer, you can throw it into your gem render chain. marius.
2009/3/31 Derek Holzer derek@umatic.nl:
http://www.yourmachines.org/tutorials/pdvideolan.html
t'es in t'es bat wrote:
hello, and so is there a way to work with pdp only to do this ??? thx david
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