Recently I looked at RjDj and was well impressed. Now I want to get a mobile device on which to run Pd to do similar things. An iPhone is out of the question because it's such a closed and locked up platform. I started looking around at other devices, but that was a bit overwhelming.
Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed?
Am I asking for too much? Or is what I want already out there?
Hi Otto,
Do you know about openmoko? http://www.openmoko.com http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
I do not have any experience with it but it has been in existence for a while now and I would hope it actually functional by now. In any case, it meets your desire for open, top to bottom (and back).
Let us know if you have any success with that device.
./MiS
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Otto Maddox ottomaddox@fastmail.fm wrote:
Recently I looked at RjDj and was well impressed. Now I want to get a mobile device on which to run Pd to do similar things. An iPhone is out of the question because it's such a closed and locked up platform. I started looking around at other devices, but that was a bit overwhelming.
Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed?
Am I asking for too much? Or is what I want already out there?
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Without a lot of work, Pd-vanilla (or even Pd-extended) would run on
Android. We know what to do, it just needs someone to do it :) PDa
runs already on Nokia Maemo, OpenMoko, Zaurus, Familiar, and the Re-
ware images that we put out for Palms and old iPods. The re-ware
project was taking a little breather but we are starting to come back
to it.
Here's Pd on iPods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kukNp4uwcKc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtOKvJFetk
.hc
On Oct 12, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Michal Seta wrote:
Hi Otto,
Do you know about openmoko? http://www.openmoko.com http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
I do not have any experience with it but it has been in existence for a while now and I would hope it actually functional by now. In any case, it meets your desire for open, top to bottom (and back).
Let us know if you have any success with that device.
./MiS
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Otto Maddox
ottomaddox@fastmail.fm wrote:Recently I looked at RjDj and was well impressed. Now I want to get a mobile device on which to run Pd to do similar things. An iPhone is
out of the question because it's such a closed and locked up platform. I started looking around at other devices, but that was a bit overwhelming.Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself
over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed?Am I asking for too much? Or is what I want already out there?
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Otto Maddox wrote:
Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed?
i think a decent (with fpu) and completely free (like the neo/freerunner) device does not exist.
but there are a few which are less unfree than the i-thing:
as far as i have heard, rjdj is currently ported to android.
the new nokia 900 uses also a more or less free system (maemo), and pd already exists for the older (fpu-less) maemo based "web-pads".
the "zii-egg" also uses a linux derivative, and should be able to run pd.
maybe others.
bis denn! martin
On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:03 PM, martin brinkmann wrote:
Otto Maddox wrote:
Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself
over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed?i think a decent (with fpu) and completely free (like the neo/freerunner) device does not exist.
Android without the Google apps is pretty close. There might be some
binary blobs though. In any case, you can do a lot without an FPU.
but there are a few which are less unfree than the i-thing:
as far as i have heard, rjdj is currently ported to android.
But not released, and likely not free.
the new nokia 900 uses also a more or less free system (maemo), and pd already exists for the older (fpu-less) maemo based "web-pads".
What's non-free about Maemo? I use a Maemo device daily and as far as
I can tell its as free as Ubuntu (there might be some binary blobs,
but there might not).
the "zii-egg" also uses a linux derivative, and should be able to run pd.
Ah right, portable game consoles! the GP2X is a good example that
runs PDa:
http://www.smokinglinux.com/gp2x/gp2x-the-best-linux-portable-console-for-ga...
.hc
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Speaking of which, does anyone have any issues with installing gp2xPd? I can't get this thing to work.
I'm on Firmware 3.0.0, on the F100(B). I put the python folder from the pygame package on my sd root per the instructions on Chris McCormick's site. I put the gp2xPd folder in my sd/games folder and try to open the bigtest.gpe. I get a black screen for a few seconds then a white screen that lasts until I move the joystick, at which point it kicks me back to the GP2X menu.
I'd really like to get this thing to work, but have run out of ideas. Please help me out!
Thanks, Matt Logan
Ah right, portable game consoles! the GP2X is a good example that runs PDa:
http://www.smokinglinux.com/gp2x/gp2x-the-best-linux-portable-console-for-ga... .hc
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
as far as i have heard, rjdj is currently ported to android.
But not released, and likely not free.
probably "free as in beer" only, but i hope it does not take too long until it is released.
What's non-free about Maemo? I use a Maemo device daily and as far as I can tell its as free as Ubuntu (there might be some binary blobs, but there might not).
i meant the non-free binaries, and i am not sure how the telephon-functionality is integrated in the new maemo version.
bis denn! martin
On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:19 PM, martin brinkmann wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
as far as i have heard, rjdj is currently ported to android.
But not released, and likely not free.
probably "free as in beer" only, but i hope it does not take too long until it is released.
AFAIK, they wanted to keep the core rjdj app a free download, but
Apple doesn't allow you to sell media for apps that are free (rjdj
sells "albums" of pd patches). So now rjdj is only free as in beer if
you have a jailbroken phone.
.hc
What's non-free about Maemo? I use a Maemo device daily and as far
as I can tell its as free as Ubuntu (there might be some binary blobs, but there might not).i meant the non-free binaries, and i am not sure how the telephon-functionality is integrated in the new maemo version.
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
as far as i have heard, rjdj is currently ported to android.
But not released, and likely not free.
probably "free as in beer" only, but i hope it does not take too long until it is released.
AFAIK, they wanted to keep the core rjdj app a free download, but Apple doesn't allow you to sell media for apps that are free (rjdj sells "albums" of pd patches). So now rjdj is only free as in beer if you have a jailbroken phone.
yes, according to their website, the in-app-sales are only allowed for paid apps. (you can buy commercial scenes/download free scenes (pd-patches) from the rjdj-application) but only on the iphone/pod. i hope the android-version will be free (beer) again.
bis denn! martin
Talking about "free hardware": Did anybody try beagleboard? http://beagleboard.org/
Some people are runing maemo on it.
Seems that something about it is "creative commons",is that the hardware schemes like arduino licence? Does anyone know another arm based project like that?
And about PDa - Does a complete pd-vanilla work on it? I've heard that tables don't work... is that true?
abraço glerm
Tables work on PDa, but they use milliseconds instead of samples as
the index. Pd-vanilla needs a CPU with a floating point unit, which
most embedded systems don't have .
.hc
On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:56 PM, glerm soares wrote:
Talking about "free hardware": Did anybody try beagleboard? http://beagleboard.org/
Some people are runing maemo on it.
Seems that something about it is "creative commons",is that the
hardware schemes like arduino licence? Does anyone know another arm
based project like that?And about PDa - Does a complete pd-vanilla work on it? I've heard
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Hallo!
I just got an android phone (linux) and was actually quite impressed. It is very user-friendly and there are also good development tools (I did not program something so far, but I will ...)
However, I don't know how easy it is to port PD to android phones. The general platform is in java (because it should run hardware independent on many phones) and it's also possible to program in C - but then you maybe have to adjust your code manually to different phones ... I don't know ...
For development on android see: http://developer.android.com/ BTW, there are also thousands of applications already, see e.g. http://www.cyrket.com/, also some nice basic sound apps ...
LG Georg
Otto Maddox schrieb:
Recently I looked at RjDj and was well impressed. Now I want to get a mobile device on which to run Pd to do similar things. An iPhone is out of the question because it's such a closed and locked up platform. I started looking around at other devices, but that was a bit overwhelming.
Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed?
Am I asking for too much? Or is what I want already out there?
Just getting Pd on the Android phone would be easy, especially if you
have rooted it. Basically, Pd-vanilla should build and run fine on
Android with some minor tweaks for Android-specific macros. The only
tricky part is that Pd can't use Android's ALSA, it must use the Java
audio API via JNI. So that would take custom code.
Once its built and has the C->Java JNI audio interface, then it
shouldn't be hard to package it up and distribute it as a regular
Android app.
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdForAndroid
.hc
On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hallo!
I just got an android phone (linux) and was actually quite impressed. It is very user-friendly and there are also good development tools
(I did not program something so far, but I will ...)However, I don't know how easy it is to port PD to android phones.
The general platform is in java (because it should run hardware
independent on many phones) and it's also possible to program in C -
but then you maybe have to adjust your code manually to different
phones ... I don't know ...For development on android see: http://developer.android.com/ BTW, there are also thousands of applications already, see e.g. http://www.cyrket.com/ , also some nice basic sound apps ...
LG Georg
Otto Maddox schrieb:
Recently I looked at RjDj and was well impressed. Now I want to get a mobile device on which to run Pd to do similar things. An iPhone is
out of the question because it's such a closed and locked up platform. I started looking around at other devices, but that was a bit overwhelming. Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself
over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed? Am I asking for too much? Or is what I want already out there?
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Wow, thanks for these tipps ... didn't know that someone already did it.
I will maybe look into it after becoming a bit more familiar with this platform - would be really nice to have pd on it !
LG Georg
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
Just getting Pd on the Android phone would be easy, especially if you have rooted it. Basically, Pd-vanilla should build and run fine on Android with some minor tweaks for Android-specific macros. The only tricky part is that Pd can't use Android's ALSA, it must use the Java audio API via JNI. So that would take custom code.
Once its built and has the C->Java JNI audio interface, then it shouldn't be hard to package it up and distribute it as a regular Android app.
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdForAndroid
.hc
On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hallo!
I just got an android phone (linux) and was actually quite impressed. It is very user-friendly and there are also good development tools (I did not program something so far, but I will ...)
However, I don't know how easy it is to port PD to android phones. The general platform is in java (because it should run hardware independent on many phones) and it's also possible to program in C - but then you maybe have to adjust your code manually to different phones ... I don't know ...
For development on android see: http://developer.android.com/ BTW, there are also thousands of applications already, see e.g. http://www.cyrket.com/, also some nice basic sound apps ...
LG Georg
Otto Maddox schrieb:
Recently I looked at RjDj and was well impressed. Now I want to get a mobile device on which to run Pd to do similar things. An iPhone is out of the question because it's such a closed and locked up platform. I started looking around at other devices, but that was a bit overwhelming. Maybe it's just because I'm new to the world of mobile computing and have missed something, but I couldn't find a single mobile hardware/software platform which is properly Free/open from top to bottom (i.e., friendly to people who don't mind getting their hands dirty), actively maintained, doesn't require me to screw myself over by taking on a contract which I can't afford (internet tablet would be ideal), and runs Pd. Is PDa still being developed? Am I asking for too much? Or is what I want already out there?
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