Grtz Patchers,
On the LAU list I heard some great "pad" sounds being made with ZynAddSubFX a few months back, and I'd love to be able to make similar kinds of sounds using Pure Data. Does anyone have pointers to articles or tutorials on making nice pad sounds?
Best,
Chris.
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I think that detuned sawtooth waveforms is a good place to start.
~Kyle
On 8/10/06, Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx wrote:
Grtz Patchers,
On the LAU list I heard some great "pad" sounds being made with ZynAddSubFX a few months back, and I'd love to be able to make similar kinds of sounds using Pure Data. Does anyone have pointers to articles or tutorials on making nice pad sounds?
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
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Quite so. And somewhat connected to the ongoing thread on tuning scales Chuckk Hubbard inspired me to experiment with using ratios to create the separation parameters. Download my Sparkle synth and rip out the [phasorbank] unit. It has four inputs, a pitch base, two ratio inputs (numerator and denominator) and a fine tune offset. If you supply simple integer ratios, like 13/16, 20/21 or whatever, you will obtain extremely rich pad sounds with interesting harmonic spectrums. The twist comes when you detune these by a very small amount and obtain slowly shifting patterns where harmonics pop out in sequences. Risset created a couple of pieces based on these effects of microtonal detuning, only with sines. I discovered a similar, perhaps better, effect based on this "diffraction" occurs when you sweep a narrow bandpass filter over the output of the phasorbank, you get interesting scales emerging.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:13:15 -0500 "Kyle Klipowicz" kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I think that detuned sawtooth waveforms is a good place to start.
~Kyle
On 8/10/06, Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx wrote:
Grtz Patchers,
On the LAU list I heard some great "pad" sounds being made with ZynAddSubFX a few months back, and I'd love to be able to make similar kinds of sounds using Pure Data. Does anyone have pointers to articles or tutorials on making nice pad sounds?
Best,
Chris.
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Andy,
the Sparkle demo mp3 sounds sweet!
But:
I can't find the [paf~] external. It is not in the CVS.
In your page about Sparkle the link to download the plain synth patch
is broken.
c.
padawan12 wrote:
Quite so. And somewhat connected to the ongoing thread on tuning scales Chuckk Hubbard inspired me to experiment with using ratios to create the separation parameters. Download my Sparkle synth and rip out the [phasorbank] unit. It has four inputs, a pitch base, two ratio inputs (numerator and denominator) and a fine tune offset. If you supply simple integer ratios, like 13/16, 20/21 or whatever, you will obtain extremely rich pad sounds with interesting harmonic spectrums. The twist comes when you detune these by a very small amount and obtain slowly shifting patterns where harmonics pop out in sequences. Risset created a couple of pieces based on these effects of microtonal detuning, only with sines. I discovered a similar, perhaps better, effect based on this "diffraction" occurs when you sweep a narrow bandpass filter over the output of the phasorbank, you get interesting scales emerging.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:13:15 -0500 "Kyle Klipowicz" kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I think that detuned sawtooth waveforms is a good place to start.
~Kyle
On 8/10/06, Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx wrote:
Grtz Patchers,
On the LAU list I heard some great "pad" sounds being made with ZynAddSubFX a few months back, and I'd love to be able to make similar kinds of sounds using Pure Data. Does anyone have pointers to articles or tutorials on making nice pad sounds?
Best,
Chris.
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Paf~ was included in the main build until recently, I think that IRCAM was giving Miller some flack, since they own a "copyright" on the algorithm.
~Kyle
On 8/10/06, Cesare Marilungo cesare@poeticstudios.com wrote:
Andy,
the Sparkle demo mp3 sounds sweet!
But:
I can't find the [paf~] external. It is not in the CVS.
In your page about Sparkle the link to download the plain synth patch
is broken.
c.
padawan12 wrote:
Quite so. And somewhat connected to the ongoing thread on tuning scales Chuckk Hubbard inspired me to experiment with using ratios to create the separation parameters. Download my Sparkle synth and rip out the [phasorbank] unit. It has four inputs, a pitch base, two ratio inputs (numerator and denominator) and a fine tune offset. If you supply simple integer ratios, like 13/16, 20/21 or whatever, you will obtain extremely rich pad sounds with interesting harmonic spectrums. The twist comes when you detune these by a very small amount and obtain slowly shifting patterns where harmonics pop out in sequences. Risset created a couple of pieces based on these effects of microtonal detuning, only with sines. I discovered a similar, perhaps better, effect based on this "diffraction" occurs when you sweep a narrow bandpass filter over the output of the phasorbank, you get interesting scales emerging.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:13:15 -0500 "Kyle Klipowicz" kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I think that detuned sawtooth waveforms is a good place to start.
~Kyle
On 8/10/06, Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx wrote:
Grtz Patchers,
On the LAU list I heard some great "pad" sounds being made with ZynAddSubFX a few months back, and I'd love to be able to make similar kinds of sounds using Pure Data. Does anyone have pointers to articles or tutorials on making nice pad sounds?
Best,
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
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Thanks for nfo Cesare,
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:48:46 +0000 Cesare Marilungo cesare@poeticstudios.com wrote:
- I can't find the [paf~] external. It is not in the CVS.
I have put the paf~ unit, for Linux on the page.
- In your page about Sparkle the link to download the plain synth patch
is broken.
Sorry, there's a few tweaks I need to finish that off, wilco v.soon
padawan12 wrote:
The twist comes when you detune these by a very small amount and obtain slowly shifting patterns where harmonics pop out in sequences. Risset created a couple of pieces based on these effects of microtonal detuning, only with sines. I discovered a similar, perhaps better, effect based on this "diffraction" occurs when you sweep a narrow bandpass filter over the output of the phasorbank, you get interesting scales emerging.
I've just realised the phasorbank in that patch isn't the one I thought it was and won't behave as I described above. Should be inspiring to making general pads sounds thpugh.
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:13:15 -0500 "Kyle Klipowicz" kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
I think that detuned sawtooth waveforms is a good place to start.
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 09:26:19AM +0100, padawan12 wrote:
and rip out the [phasorbank] unit. It has four inputs, a pitch base, two ratio inputs (numerator and denominator) and a fine tune offset. If you supply simple integer ratios, like 13/16, 20/21 or whatever, you will obtain extremely rich pad sounds with interesting harmonic spectrums.
Sounds great. So basically in the case of 13/16 I should multiply the base frequency by 16 and then divide by 13? What does the fine tune offset do?
Chris.
chris@mccormick.cx http://mccormick.cx
That's backwards. You multiply the base by 13 and divide by 16.
The tune offset helps to create the psychoaccoustic (and mathematical) phenomenon called beating (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_(acoustics) ).
This technique is also used by orchestras, when the various violins in a section will slightly detune their individual instruments to create a thicker texture. So you can see how this would make sense, since pad sounds are often an attempt to mimic a strings section.
~Kyle
On 8/14/06, Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx wrote:
Sounds great. So basically in the case of 13/16 I should multiply the base frequency by 16 and then divide by 13? What does the fine tune offset do?
Hey all,
Anyone have good patches to reproduce string instruments (including violin, cello, and also piano?)
Something with many variables would be idea, to get as much nuance as possible...
Thanks!
.b.
This would be incredibly helpful for me too, for some work I am doing in the future that will include live musicians along with electronics.
~David
On 8/30/06, B. Bogart ben@ekran.org wrote:
Hey all,
Anyone have good patches to reproduce string instruments (including violin, cello, and also piano?)
Something with many variables would be idea, to get as much nuance as possible...
Thanks!
.b.
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Some, but not in a very presentable form, want to help develop them into something? 3 models, plucked, hammered and bowed, and three methods, KS, scanned, and additive. Best to focus on just one instrument at a time and build a very good version. What about piano? It's an easy model to understand - hammered string in wooden resonator, but it's a hard exercise to make it sound any good.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:58:38 -0700 "B. Bogart" ben@ekran.org wrote:
Hey all,
Anyone have good patches to reproduce string instruments (including violin, cello, and also piano?)
Something with many variables would be idea, to get as much nuance as possible...
Thanks!
.b.
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