Hey all,
This is pretty off topic.
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine. This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So it has to be solid.
My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz powerbook with Radeon 9600.
For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+ or 3200+
A windows guy recommended the Asus a7n8x-e deluxe which sounds really great but I'm (clearly) worried about linux compatibility. I did a few searches online and found very inconsistant reviews, for some people everything works, for others almost nothing works. If I get this board I would like all features to work, that is all usb ports, the 1GB ethernet, the firewire (for Gem), and the 6 channel audio.
So are any linux PDers using this board and would recommend it? Any hoops you had to jump through to get things like the sound to work? all 6 channels? Does the ethernet work without troubles?
Also I'm going to be running dual 160GB SATA drives in RAID to get the best disk access bandwidth I can manage.
Also I'm considering the debian family, angula, ubuntu and the like. RAID hard to set-up under these?
I'm also looking at the A7V880 but Its hard to see the difference between the two boards.
So if anyone is using these boards with PD under linux and (hopefully) actually using all the features, like all the audio channels, the firewire input, the Gb ethernet please drop me a line.
Or if you just got a comperable PC and are very happy running linux on it let me know.
Thanks all.
b>
Ben
we used to swear by ABIT boards back in the day.
HTH
PAt
On May 25, 2005, at 12:02 PM, B. Bogart wrote:
Hey all,
This is pretty off topic.
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine. This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So it has to be solid.
My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz powerbook with Radeon 9600.
For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+ or 3200+
A windows guy recommended the Asus a7n8x-e deluxe which sounds really great but I'm (clearly) worried about linux compatibility. I did a few searches online and found very inconsistant reviews, for some people everything works, for others almost nothing works. If I get this board I would like all features to work, that is all usb ports, the 1GB ethernet, the firewire (for Gem), and the 6 channel audio.
So are any linux PDers using this board and would recommend it? Any hoops you had to jump through to get things like the sound to work? all 6 channels? Does the ethernet work without troubles?
Also I'm going to be running dual 160GB SATA drives in RAID to get the best disk access bandwidth I can manage.
Also I'm considering the debian family, angula, ubuntu and the like. RAID hard to set-up under these?
I'm also looking at the A7V880 but Its hard to see the difference between the two boards.
So if anyone is using these boards with PD under linux and (hopefully) actually using all the features, like all the audio channels, the firewire input, the Gb ethernet please drop me a line.
Or if you just got a comperable PC and are very happy running linux on it let me know.
Thanks all.
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here is my setup:
Athlon 2800+ 1 GB RAM Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe (and everything works fine, it has gigabit ethernet, megabit ethernet, firewire and serial ata, however i still didn't have a chance to test firewire) nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x Echoaudio GINA24/96 2in 8outs
for the multichannel audio i recommend you GINA24, it is a great sound cards, and it has external I/O box.
i am running Gentoo Linux with kernel 2.6.11-gentoo-r8 (gentoo-sources)
just my two cents
B. Bogart ha scritto:
Hey all,
This is pretty off topic.
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine. This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So it has to be solid.
My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz powerbook with Radeon 9600.
For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+ or 3200+
A windows guy recommended the Asus a7n8x-e deluxe which sounds really great but I'm (clearly) worried about linux compatibility. I did a few searches online and found very inconsistant reviews, for some people everything works, for others almost nothing works. If I get this board I would like all features to work, that is all usb ports, the 1GB ethernet, the firewire (for Gem), and the 6 channel audio.
So are any linux PDers using this board and would recommend it? Any hoops you had to jump through to get things like the sound to work? all 6 channels? Does the ethernet work without troubles?
Also I'm going to be running dual 160GB SATA drives in RAID to get the best disk access bandwidth I can manage.
Also I'm considering the debian family, angula, ubuntu and the like. RAID hard to set-up under these?
I'm also looking at the A7V880 but Its hard to see the difference between the two boards.
So if anyone is using these boards with PD under linux and (hopefully) actually using all the features, like all the audio channels, the firewire input, the Gb ethernet please drop me a line.
Or if you just got a comperable PC and are very happy running linux on it let me know.
Thanks all.
b>
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Le 25 Mai 2005 12:45, federico a écrit :
for the multichannel audio i recommend you GINA24, it is a great sound cards, and it has external I/O box.
It is a discontinued product. http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/Discontinued/Gina24/ -- Marc
Marc Lavallée ha scritto:
Le 25 Mai 2005 12:45, federico a écrit :
for the multichannel audio i recommend you GINA24, it is a great sound cards, and it has external I/O box.
It is a discontinued product. http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/Discontinued/Gina24/
yes, but newer models are also supported by the same driver (and at my advice is very stable):
www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Echo_Corporation
Federico
Hi Ben,
This is the board in my Shuttle, I think, and it works quite nice. The only thing you won't get are the 6 channel audio because it uses a proprietary surround system. Stereo will work fine, however. Ethernet needs a specific module that isn't in "default" kernels, but is there if you compile on your own. Firewire for hard drives seemed fine, haven't tested it with video. I'm using Gentoo with 2.6 kernel, BTW.
d.
B. Bogart wrote:
A windows guy recommended the Asus a7n8x-e deluxe which sounds really great but I'm (clearly) worried about linux compatibility. I did a few searches online and found very inconsistant reviews, for some people everything works, for others almost nothing works. If I get this board I would like all features to work, that is all usb ports, the 1GB ethernet, the firewire (for Gem), and the 6 channel audio.
So are any linux PDers using this board and would recommend it? Any hoops you had to jump through to get things like the sound to work? all 6 channels? Does the ethernet work without troubles?
Hallo, B. Bogart hat gesagt: // B. Bogart wrote:
This is pretty off topic.
Then why not go over to pd-ot? ;) Acutally I think, from time to time talking about good hardware for Pd is on-topic here as well. Do you know the "hardware" area on puredata.org?
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine. This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So it has to be solid.
My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz powerbook with Radeon 9600.
For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+ or 3200+
Last week I was shopping for a new machine, which has replaced my main machine now. As such, I also wanted a quiet machine, which means: no P4 but Athlon64.
As I'm a bit on a budget, I bought the 3000+ model. For a mainboard I choose the ABit AV8+ with Firewire, which was only a half good choice unfortunatly.
The reason is, that using the powersaving funcitonality ("Cool & Quiet") leads to crashes, so I had to disable it. I strongly suspect, that a wrong ACPI implementation on the board is the reason for this. I hope, that the next kernels (> 2.6.11) will be able to work around this. Also the ABit board is the wrong choice, if you want to undervolt your processor, it's more targetted at overclockers, not at silence freaks like I am. But if powersaving is not important to you, then this board is nice, everything as far as I tested it, is supported with newer kernels (> 2.6.10 for the onboard ethernet).
The AV8+ is an AGP board, which is good, because I want to reuse my old Matrox-card.
Asus should be fine, too, but I think it's a bit expensive. Another good brand to consider is MSI boards, which I was running on my previous two machines. Maybe I should have bought an MSI this time as well?
I cannot recommend any graphics cards as I don't run hardware for which vendors don't supply enough specs, so I'm more or less stuck with older cards.
I would thus say, that Amd64 in general can still be a bit shaky, so your choice of an older Athlon XP model will surely be easier to get running in a solid way and of course it's much cheaper.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
_ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41
Hey Frank+all,
Thanks for your advice. Turns out I can't get any XP CPUs anymore!!! :( So I need to get a Athlon64 machine.
Is AMD64 a problem under linux? (running a 32 bit linux and not 64).
I wanted to get the last fastest 32 bit AMD machine, but I missed the boat. Anyhow I should expect in terms of 64 bit problems with linux/nvidia drivers, PD in particular?
Will I be safe running a 32 bit linux and ignoring the fact that it is a 64 bit machine in the meantime?
I feel too close to the "high-tech" edge now, which I try and stay away from...
Thanks for any advice, thanks all for responding to my original post.
b>
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, B. Bogart hat gesagt: // B. Bogart wrote:
This is pretty off topic.
Then why not go over to pd-ot? ;) Acutally I think, from time to time talking about good hardware for Pd is on-topic here as well. Do you know the "hardware" area on puredata.org?
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine. This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So it has to be solid.
My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz powerbook with Radeon 9600.
For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+ or 3200+
Last week I was shopping for a new machine, which has replaced my main machine now. As such, I also wanted a quiet machine, which means: no P4 but Athlon64.
As I'm a bit on a budget, I bought the 3000+ model. For a mainboard I choose the ABit AV8+ with Firewire, which was only a half good choice unfortunatly.
The reason is, that using the powersaving funcitonality ("Cool & Quiet") leads to crashes, so I had to disable it. I strongly suspect, that a wrong ACPI implementation on the board is the reason for this. I hope, that the next kernels (> 2.6.11) will be able to work around this. Also the ABit board is the wrong choice, if you want to undervolt your processor, it's more targetted at overclockers, not at silence freaks like I am. But if powersaving is not important to you, then this board is nice, everything as far as I tested it, is supported with newer kernels (> 2.6.10 for the onboard ethernet).
The AV8+ is an AGP board, which is good, because I want to reuse my old Matrox-card.
Asus should be fine, too, but I think it's a bit expensive. Another good brand to consider is MSI boards, which I was running on my previous two machines. Maybe I should have bought an MSI this time as well?
I cannot recommend any graphics cards as I don't run hardware for which vendors don't supply enough specs, so I'm more or less stuck with older cards.
I would thus say, that Amd64 in general can still be a bit shaky, so your choice of an older Athlon XP model will surely be easier to get running in a solid way and of course it's much cheaper.
Ciao
Hallo, B. Bogart hat gesagt: // B. Bogart wrote:
Thanks for your advice. Turns out I can't get any XP CPUs anymore!!! :( So I need to get a Athlon64 machine.
You could also try the Sempron processors, which should be available, too.
Is AMD64 a problem under linux? (running a 32 bit linux and not 64).
No, you can run AMD64 processor as a 32bit processor just as well. I do so: I still run a 32bit system on my new machine. This is still my very first Debian install which I only upgraded from Debian 1.2 until now, and that was about 7 years ago so I didn't want to loose that old horse.
I wanted to get the last fastest 32 bit AMD machine, but I missed the boat. Anyhow I should expect in terms of 64 bit problems with linux/nvidia drivers, PD in particular?
Well, I have no experience yet with 64bit, this is something to do later. I can't comment on NVidia, but from what I've read people don't seem to have more problem on AMD64 than on other systems.
Will I be safe running a 32 bit linux and ignoring the fact that it is a 64 bit machine in the meantime?
Yes, no probs.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
_ __latest track: "scans" _ http://footils.org/cms/show/41
You can get XP CPUs here, and they're cheap:
http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=CPU
.hc
On Jun 2, 2005, at 11:20 AM, B. Bogart wrote:
Hey Frank+all,
Thanks for your advice. Turns out I can't get any XP CPUs anymore!!! :( So I need to get a Athlon64 machine.
Is AMD64 a problem under linux? (running a 32 bit linux and not 64).
I wanted to get the last fastest 32 bit AMD machine, but I missed the boat. Anyhow I should expect in terms of 64 bit problems with linux/nvidia drivers, PD in particular?
Will I be safe running a 32 bit linux and ignoring the fact that it is
a 64 bit machine in the meantime?I feel too close to the "high-tech" edge now, which I try and stay away from...
Thanks for any advice, thanks all for responding to my original post.
b>
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo, B. Bogart hat gesagt: // B. Bogart wrote:
This is pretty off topic.
Then why not go over to pd-ot? ;) Acutally I think, from time to time talking about good hardware for Pd is on-topic here as well. Do you know the "hardware" area on puredata.org?
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine.
This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on
day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So
it has to be solid.My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz
powerbook with Radeon 9600.For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but
I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+
or 3200+Last week I was shopping for a new machine, which has replaced my main machine now. As such, I also wanted a quiet machine, which means: no P4 but Athlon64.
As I'm a bit on a budget, I bought the 3000+ model. For a mainboard I choose the ABit AV8+ with Firewire, which was only a half good choice unfortunatly.
The reason is, that using the powersaving funcitonality ("Cool & Quiet") leads to crashes, so I had to disable it. I strongly suspect, that a wrong ACPI implementation on the board is the reason for this. I hope, that the next kernels (> 2.6.11) will be able to work around this. Also the ABit board is the wrong choice, if you want to undervolt your processor, it's more targetted at overclockers, not at silence freaks like I am. But if powersaving is not important to you, then this board is nice, everything as far as I tested it, is supported with newer kernels (> 2.6.10 for the onboard ethernet).
The AV8+ is an AGP board, which is good, because I want to reuse my old Matrox-card.
Asus should be fine, too, but I think it's a bit expensive. Another good brand to consider is MSI boards, which I was running on my previous two machines. Maybe I should have bought an MSI this time as well?
I cannot recommend any graphics cards as I don't run hardware for which vendors don't supply enough specs, so I'm more or less stuck with older cards.
I would thus say, that Amd64 in general can still be a bit shaky, so your choice of an older Athlon XP model will surely be easier to get running in a solid way and of course it's much cheaper.
Ciao
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B. Bogart wrote:
Is AMD64 a problem under linux? (running a 32 bit linux and not 64).
No, not at all. Under Gentoo (for example), you have a choice to run 32bit, 64bit, or run 64bit and still use some applications in a 32bit "chroot" mode.
I wanted to get the last fastest 32 bit AMD machine, but I missed the boat. Anyhow I should expect in terms of 64 bit problems with linux/nvidia drivers, PD in particular?
If you are running the 64bit processor in 32bit mode, you'll have no problems above the ordinary (whatever those are). In 64bit mode, I've gotten NVidia drivers running (agian, under Gentoo), but PD isn't really 64bit ready yet AFAIK. When I was working with it in January, I couldn't get tables to load and fucntion correctly, for example. Thewade has continued to post numerous bugs with PD in 64bit, so I'm not encouraged to switch back to my 64bit kernel any time soon.
Will I be safe running a 32 bit linux and ignoring the fact that it is a 64 bit machine in the meantime?
Maybe your laptop might feel a bit neglected, but that's for you and your relationship counselor to work out. Otherwise, no bigger mess than usual.
best, d.
B. Bogart wrote:
Hey Frank+all,
Thanks for your advice. Turns out I can't get any XP CPUs anymore!!! :( So I need to get a Athlon64 machine.
which i think is perfect.
Is AMD64 a problem under linux? (running a 32 bit linux and not 64).
no, it's rather a problem with windows.... but why running a 32bit linux and not a 64bit one ?
I wanted to get the last fastest 32 bit AMD machine, but I missed the boat. Anyhow I should expect in terms of 64 bit problems with linux/nvidia drivers, PD in particular?
no.
i am successfully using debian x86_64 on my laptop and it runs like hell (nvidia's drivers were no problem at all, the only issue was with my wlan-card where i had a hard time waiting for 64bit windoze-drivers (using ndiswrapper); the only remaining thing i can think of right now, is that i don't have kismet on 64bit debian)
i have not run into any problems with pd (but haven't used much table-players)
and it takes me about 90 seconds to configure/compile a distclean Gem....
one drawback is, that FreeFrame does not support 64bit at all.
Will I be safe running a 32 bit linux and ignoring the fact that it is a 64 bit machine in the meantime?
if you feel safer that way, then yes, you will be safe.
I feel too close to the "high-tech" edge now, which I try and stay away from...
i think AMD64 is there for more than 1 year, so i don't consider it bleeding edge any more.
mfg.ads.r IOhannes
If you really want the best disk speed you can manage, buy SCSI. You
can get 15k rpm drives, versus SATA's 10k, or ATA's 7.2k.
.hc
On May 25, 2005, at 9:02 AM, B. Bogart wrote:
Hey all,
This is pretty off topic.
I'm trying to figure out what PC to buy for my next linux machine. This machine is going to be specifically for PD/Gem stuff, maybe a little video here and there, but is meant to be a machine I don't depend on
day to day, but can lease for installations and/or performance stuff. So it has to be solid.My current PC is a duron 800 Abit KT7 with geforce2 card in it. I'm hoping to get some performance getting close to my g4 1.25Ghz powerbook with Radeon 9600.
For the graphics I'm looking at the Asus N6600 (256MB, FX6600) but I'm stuck on the mainboard. And will probably be running an AMD XP 3000+ or 3200+
A windows guy recommended the Asus a7n8x-e deluxe which sounds really great but I'm (clearly) worried about linux compatibility. I did a few searches online and found very inconsistant reviews, for some people everything works, for others almost nothing works. If I get this board
I would like all features to work, that is all usb ports, the 1GB ethernet, the firewire (for Gem), and the 6 channel audio.So are any linux PDers using this board and would recommend it? Any hoops you had to jump through to get things like the sound to work? all 6 channels? Does the ethernet work without troubles?
Also I'm going to be running dual 160GB SATA drives in RAID to get the best disk access bandwidth I can manage.
Also I'm considering the debian family, angula, ubuntu and the like. RAID hard to set-up under these?
I'm also looking at the A7V880 but Its hard to see the difference between the two boards.
So if anyone is using these boards with PD under linux and (hopefully) actually using all the features, like all the audio channels, the firewire input, the Gb ethernet please drop me a line.
Or if you just got a comperable PC and are very happy running linux on it let me know.
Thanks all.
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On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
If you really want the best disk speed you can manage, buy SCSI. You can get 15k rpm drives, versus SATA's 10k, or ATA's 7.2k.
.hc
To do what? Stream multiple uncompressed video tracks? For any audio work ATA is fast enough for serious (48+ tracks) multitracking. If you can't, the bottleneck is usually in the program design not the drive.
G
On May 27, 2005, at 6:17 AM, vanDongen/Gilcher wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
If you really want the best disk speed you can manage, buy SCSI. You can get 15k rpm drives, versus SATA's 10k, or ATA's 7.2k.
.hc
To do what? Stream multiple uncompressed video tracks? For any audio work ATA is fast enough for serious (48+ tracks)
multitracking. If you can't, the bottleneck is usually in the program design not the
drive.
Well, on a basic level, its nice having your machine boot and launch
apps super quick. Also, SCSI performs better under heavy CPU load
since it needs less supervision from the CPU than ATA.
I don't know how loud the 15k drives are, I don't have the $$$ to buy
one. But I imagine they have figured it out by now. But the ATA
drives will be quieter since they are more mature and more consumer
focused.
.hc
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