I agree. I think the current Pd-extended focused manual could be moved to a Pd-extended location for historical reasons. The "main" Pd FLOSS manual should be Vanilla + links or sections to active forks including the original Pd-extended manual. The current manual could then be refactored/updated and existing links would not be *terribly* broken.
On May 31, 2021, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
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I think the best with Pd Floss is first to elucidate the community about Pd-Vanilla and the Forks. The name Pure Data Floss tutorial should be relayed in Pd-Vanilla only. In a historical Introduction, it can explain the history of creation of Pd, about Pd-Extended death, the actual situation and cite Pd forks, like Pd-ceammc and Purr-Data.
After that we can update and even improve Pure Data Floss and it is. If Pd-ceammc and Purr-Data communities start thinking about creating a FLOSS for your distribution, they can do it with their proper names.
This can avoid a lot of noise in the community and create an environment where everyone can choose the Pd software that best suits their needs.
Cheers Esteban
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Em seg., 31 de mai. de 2021 às 07:35, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
I agree. I think the current Pd-extended focused manual could be moved to a Pd-extended location for historical reasons.
what's a "pd-extended location" and where is it?
The "main" Pd FLOSS manual should be Vanilla + links or sections to active forks including the original Pd-extended manual. The current manual could then be refactored/updated and existing links would not be *terribly* broken.
It has now come to my attention that we have different versions of this manual. There's an archived version => http://archive.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/
And a new version created two months ago by 'mickfuzz' which is actually the same! https://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data - The Pd Vanila html manual references to this link, by the way, and also to a french version here: https://fr.flossmanuals.net/puredata/introduction/
Note that the french version is considerably different, so yeah, we have quite some chaos... there are two versions somehow, different and independent unofficial takes on what a Pd manual is and should be and depending on what language you speak you get a different idea and information? :)
Well, I'd love to help sort things out, but I don't know where to start, it's all decentralized in a very messy way.
We need to coordinate the efforts if anything is to be done. I speak no french, for instance
Where are the floss manuals people anyway? Who is 'mickfuzz'? Who's working on the french version?
How could I get involved in the english one?
Thanks
there's also yet another link here which seems to refer to the same content of the new incarnation of the manual http://write.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/introduction2/
why? dear god, why?
Em seg., 31 de mai. de 2021 às 18:07, Alexandre Torres Porres < porres@gmail.com> escreveu:
Em seg., 31 de mai. de 2021 às 07:35, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com escreveu:
I agree. I think the current Pd-extended focused manual could be moved to a Pd-extended location for historical reasons.
what's a "pd-extended location" and where is it?
The "main" Pd FLOSS manual should be Vanilla + links or sections to active forks including the original Pd-extended manual. The current manual could then be refactored/updated and existing links would not be *terribly* broken.
It has now come to my attention that we have different versions of this manual. There's an archived version => http://archive.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/
And a new version created two months ago by 'mickfuzz' which is actually the same! https://en.flossmanuals.net/pure-data - The Pd Vanila html manual references to this link, by the way, and also to a french version here: https://fr.flossmanuals.net/puredata/introduction/
Note that the french version is considerably different, so yeah, we have quite some chaos... there are two versions somehow, different and independent unofficial takes on what a Pd manual is and should be and depending on what language you speak you get a different idea and information? :)
Well, I'd love to help sort things out, but I don't know where to start, it's all decentralized in a very messy way.
We need to coordinate the efforts if anything is to be done. I speak no french, for instance
Where are the floss manuals people anyway? Who is 'mickfuzz'? Who's working on the french version?
How could I get involved in the english one?
Thanks
My 2 cents...
On May 31, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote:
what's a "pd-extended location" and where is it?
The "main" Pd FLOSS manual should be Vanilla + links or sections to active forks including the original Pd-extended manual. The current manual could then be refactored/updated and existing links would not be *terribly* broken.
It has now come to my attention that we have different versions of this manual. There's an archived version => http://archive.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/ http://archive.flossmanuals.net/pure-data/
This link is what I consider the "pd-extended" manual as it was written focused on extended, although naturally most of what's there works with vanilla. I would say keep this archived as it is but add some header text and make some edits so it is clear this is
- for Pd-extended which is no longer maintained
- kept for archival purposes
- people should look to the "main" Pd-vanilla manual, where that will be
As to organization and where to put things and who does what, well it looks like mickfuzz is already started on it. In fact, who archived the old manual? Maybe he/she/they did...
Dan Wilcox @danomatika http://twitter.com/danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/
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