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benutze namensraum standard;
ganzzahl i; /* */ wenn ( ungerade (i) ) { während (i--) { für (positive ganzzahl j = 0; j !=i; ++j) { zaus << i << neuezeile; } } }
i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand the code written in another language ...
t
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Tim Blechmann wrote:
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i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand the code written in another language ...
Agreed, but what's your point?
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hi
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Tim Blechmann wrote:
i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand the code written in another language ...
On 12/14/05, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Agreed, but what's your point?
um, isn't it obvious? the point seems to be that translated programming languages are useless. that's how i read it anyway ...
i'd guess it's a vote of 'no confidence' toward your new project.
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i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand the code written in another language ...
On 12/14/05, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Agreed, but what's your point?
um, isn't it obvious? the point seems to be that translated programming languages are useless. that's how i read it anyway ...
i'd guess it's a vote of 'no confidence' toward your new project.
translation is not a bad thing in general ... but i'd like to be able to use pd even if i sit in front of a french computer ...
t
Le 14 Décembre 2005 13:09, Tim Blechmann a écrit :
translation is not a bad thing in general ... but i'd like to be able to use pd even if i sit in front of a french computer ...
Bingo! That's precisely the purpose of localization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization We're making progress here... -- Marc
translation is not a bad thing in general ... but i'd like to be able to use pd even if i sit in front of a french computer ...
Well, clearly the choice of localization should be a command line argument, not a compile-time option. But it is in DD, and that's great!
greetings, Thomas
Thomas Grill wrote:
Well, clearly the choice of localization should be a command line argument, not a compile-time option.
i even think that it should respect the locale settings of the machine. (and probably add a cmd-line flag to override that one). but we agree that it should be a runtime decision rather than a compiletime decision.
apart from that, i think this discussion should take place on either pd-list _or_ pd-dev and not both (so this mail goes to pd-list only, since in the current state of the discussion the biggest amount of people should be involved)
just my 3â¬
mf.asd.r IOhannes
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Thomas Grill wrote:
Tim Blechmann wrote:
translation is not a bad thing in general ... but i'd like to be able to use pd even if i sit in front of a french computer ...
Hey. I can't use _anything_ if i sit in front of a French computer, cause it's got that AZERTY keyboard.
Well, clearly the choice of localization should be a command line argument, not a compile-time option. But it is in DD, and that's great!
better than that, you can switch the language at run-time, and you can customize the language at run-time.
type this command in the Tcl box:
say file "Fly"
and then press Ctrl+N to get:
| Fly Edit View Find Put Media Window Help | `--------------------------------------------'
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Yes, I definitely agree that while localizing software is very useful but it must make sense.
Let's take Microsoft's example. We get Microsoft Office in Portuguese. This means that:
- Menus, tooltips and all messages are in Portuguese
- Shortcuts change because Ctrl-S (save) becomes Ctrl-G (gravar) which is a
little annoying but still understandable
- VBScript remains unchanged :)
I guess this would be the healthy approach. With one exception: Microsoft products are localized in compile time meaning once you install the portuguese version you would need to reinstall it in order to get it in English. But since PD is much smaller I'd say there is no reason to hardwire it in compile time and it can easily be implemented as a runtime option.
Bye, Nuno
-----Original Message----- From: pd-list-bounces@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-bounces@iem.at] On Behalf Of Tim Blechmann Sent: quarta-feira, 14 de Dezembro de 2005 18:09 To: \js Cc: Mathieu Bouchard; pd-list@iem.at; pd-dev@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] Patching in Tongues: The PureData TranslationProject
i've once seen a translated version of a programming
language ...
pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand the code written in another language ...
On 12/14/05, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Agreed, but what's your point?
um, isn't it obvious? the point seems to be that translated programming languages are useless. that's how i read it anyway ...
i'd guess it's a vote of 'no confidence' toward your new project.
translation is not a bad thing in general ... but i'd like to be able to use pd even if i sit in front of a french computer ...
t
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, \js wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Tim Blechmann wrote:
i've once seen a translated version of a programming language ... pretty useless if you want to share the code or even want to understand the code written in another language ...
On 12/14/05, Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Agreed, but what's your point?
um, isn't it obvious? the point seems to be that translated programming languages are useless. that's how i read it anyway ...
Well, if that's what he meant, that'd be one hell of a strawman argument... And I've come to expect better from Tim.
As I've said, the saving of objects would use exactly the same name.
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quote <what is the fish doing in my ear> end quote
don't I look foolish, I seem to have misplaced my towel!
alex
On 14-Dec-05, at 5:08 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
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r u high on drugs?
i´m worrying...
sevy
Quoting Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca:
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 ydegoyon@free.fr wrote:
r u high on drugs? i´m worrying...
haha, you're not worrying, as historical evidence shows.
why are you even talking to me?
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Hi all,
maybe this can be interesting for the PDTP
http://uea.org/info/angle/an_manifesto_prago.html
Merry Christmas!
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005, josue moreno wrote:
maybe this can be interesting for the PDTP http://uea.org/info/angle/an_manifesto_prago.html
Cxi vi parlas la Lingvan Internacian?
Se vi, vi povus aligxi la projekton de traduko de PureData.
http://artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/patching-in-tongues
Kristnasko felica.
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