Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of bluetooth device would be preferable?
Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general sturdiness of various items, etc.
Many thanks, and best wishes,
Julian
First off, don't expect perfect results, that'll set you up for
failure. Sounds like you want an accelerometer for x/y/z
acceleration, and for position, you'll need to add something like a
gyro or the wii controller's infrared camera tracking the light bar.
Perhaps the Wii controller would be a good place for you to start?
.hc
On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:57 PM, J bz wrote:
Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I
would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the
instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers
movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and
be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of
bluetooth device would be preferable?Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these
matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to
watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general
sturdiness of various items, etc.Many thanks, and best wishes,
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As hans said, the wii is very good for starting up "sensor/accel" projects. Although when you need better data the wii will not provide, so don't raise much expectations.
At my research lab we work with accel+magnetometer to correct the values, anyhow it is now wireless for now, which is a major disadvantage of the current setup. The previous one was a wireless accelerometer-based from Plux (http://www.plux.info/) with a C++ API.
Best of luck, Pedro
Hi, i connected pd with arduino and adxl330, works fine, in order to wireless i prefer arduino bluetooth, the only thing to do is change the baud for default the in firmata is 57600, in my experience only works if you change to 115200 (in the standard firmata arduino sketch,and the arduino monitor).
If you have problems i can help you, i send a youtube video , pd+arduino+processing+osc wired...but arduino bluetooth or bluetooth shield for Arduino is the solution.
http://www.youtube.com/user/santorcuato76#p/u/1/SM4Un76LB90
Best regrads from Chile
José
2010/12/1 J bz jbeezez@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of bluetooth device would be preferable?
Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general sturdiness of various items, etc.
Many thanks, and best wishes,
Julian
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Maybe it's worth mentioning that you can also work the other way round: mount a small IR LED on the head of the instrument and track its motion with a wiimote mounted statically in front of it. I used this once for tracking a remote controlled robot and it worked fairly well. I guess that success will also depend on the type of movements the musician will make. The IR LED would need to stay directed to the wiimote all the times. Also make the LED as omnidirectional as possible... Tim
2010/12/1 Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuato76@gmail.com
Hi, i connected pd with arduino and adxl330, works fine, in order to wireless i prefer arduino bluetooth, the only thing to do is change the baud for default the in firmata is 57600, in my experience only works if you change to 115200 (in the standard firmata arduino sketch,and the arduino monitor).
If you have problems i can help you, i send a youtube video , pd+arduino+processing+osc wired...but arduino bluetooth or bluetooth shield for Arduino is the solution.
http://www.youtube.com/user/santorcuato76#p/u/1/SM4Un76LB90
Best regrads from Chile
José
2010/12/1 J bz jbeezez@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of bluetooth device would be preferable?
Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general sturdiness of various items, etc.
Many thanks, and best wishes,
Julian
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Tracking in that sense requires you to have gear that is in visible line of sight to the musician. If its a concert situation maybe that's not easy. But its a way to go. Note that will not produce good tridimensional tracking results, one could use a kinect too.
If we want to hyper extrapolate, if the concert is in a controlled room, you can use 3D IR tracking system, such as used for mocap. Real expensive but really accurate. :)
Best luck, Pedro
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM, tim vets timvets@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it's worth mentioning that you can also work the other way round: mount a small IR LED on the head of the instrument and track its motion with a wiimote mounted statically in front of it. I used this once for tracking a remote controlled robot and it worked fairly well. I guess that success will also depend on the type of movements the musician will make. The IR LED would need to stay directed to the wiimote all the times. Also make the LED as omnidirectional as possible... Tim
2010/12/1 Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuato76@gmail.com
Hi, i connected pd with arduino and adxl330, works fine, in order to
wireless i prefer arduino bluetooth, the only thing to do is change the baud for default the in firmata is 57600, in my experience only works if you change to 115200 (in the standard firmata arduino sketch,and the arduino monitor).
If you have problems i can help you, i send a youtube video , pd+arduino+processing+osc wired...but arduino bluetooth or bluetooth shield for Arduino is the solution.
http://www.youtube.com/user/santorcuato76#p/u/1/SM4Un76LB90
Best regrads from Chile
José
2010/12/1 J bz jbeezez@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of bluetooth device would be preferable?
Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general sturdiness of various items, etc.
Many thanks, and best wishes,
Julian
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Hey all,
I love this list:)
I had thought about wiimotes but I think they are too cumbersome, visible and heavy. I would like the instrumentalist to not have to be aware that they are connected to anything. The point of the tracking is to use the performers involuntary movement as input data for the pd patch, so I would like for them to be as un-selfconscious as possible.
I have heard that there are problems with bluetooth in concert situations, although the feedback I have just received from you guys seems inconclusive?
Although this is in a university setting for the 1st performance, I'm also really keen that this can be portable and as inexpensive as I can make it, thus hopefully allowing the piece to have a life outside of academia. This would prohibit going down any super-complex routes.
I think I would be more comfortable not having to rely on the sensor being in the line of sight too, sounds scary.
Brilliant feedback so far though, thanks a lot, I have plenty to get on with. I will, no doubt, be reporting back soon...
Cheers,
Jb
On 1 December 2010 20:23, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt wrote:
Tracking in that sense requires you to have gear that is in visible line of sight to the musician. If its a concert situation maybe that's not easy. But its a way to go. Note that will not produce good tridimensional tracking results, one could use a kinect too.
If we want to hyper extrapolate, if the concert is in a controlled room, you can use 3D IR tracking system, such as used for mocap. Real expensive but really accurate. :)
Best luck, Pedro
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM, tim vets timvets@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it's worth mentioning that you can also work the other way round: mount a small IR LED on the head of the instrument and track its motion with a wiimote mounted statically in front of it. I used this once for tracking a remote controlled robot and it worked fairly well. I guess that success will also depend on the type of movements the musician will make. The IR LED would need to stay directed to the wiimote all the times. Also make the LED as omnidirectional as possible... Tim
2010/12/1 Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuato76@gmail.com
Hi, i connected pd with arduino and adxl330, works fine, in order to
wireless i prefer arduino bluetooth, the only thing to do is change the baud for default the in firmata is 57600, in my experience only works if you change to 115200 (in the standard firmata arduino sketch,and the arduino monitor).
If you have problems i can help you, i send a youtube video , pd+arduino+processing+osc wired...but arduino bluetooth or bluetooth shield for Arduino is the solution.
http://www.youtube.com/user/santorcuato76#p/u/1/SM4Un76LB90
Best regrads from Chile
José
2010/12/1 J bz jbeezez@gmail.com
Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of bluetooth device would be preferable?
Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general sturdiness of various items, etc.
Many thanks, and best wishes,
Julian
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The circuit boards inside of wii remotes are much smaller and lighter,
then you can use whatever battery gives you about ~3V.
.hc
On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:54 PM, J bz wrote:
Hey all,
I love this list:)
I had thought about wiimotes but I think they are too cumbersome,
visible and heavy. I would like the instrumentalist to not have to
be aware that they are connected to anything. The point of the
tracking is to use the performers involuntary movement as input data
for the pd patch, so I would like for them to be as un-selfconscious
as possible.I have heard that there are problems with bluetooth in concert
situations, although the feedback I have just received from you guys
seems inconclusive?Although this is in a university setting for the 1st performance,
I'm also really keen that this can be portable and as inexpensive as
I can make it, thus hopefully allowing the piece to have a life
outside of academia. This would prohibit going down any super- complex routes.I think I would be more comfortable not having to rely on the sensor
being in the line of sight too, sounds scary.Brilliant feedback so far though, thanks a lot, I have plenty to get
on with. I will, no doubt, be reporting back soon...Cheers,
Jb
On 1 December 2010 20:23, Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt wrote: Tracking in that sense requires you to have gear that is in visible
line of sight to the musician. If its a concert situation maybe
that's not easy. But its a way to go. Note that will not produce
good tridimensional tracking results, one could use a kinect too.If we want to hyper extrapolate, if the concert is in a controlled
room, you can use 3D IR tracking system, such as used for mocap.
Real expensive but really accurate. :)Best luck, Pedro
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM, tim vets timvets@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's worth mentioning that you can also work the other way
round: mount a small IR LED on the head of the instrument and track its
motion with a wiimote mounted statically in front of it. I used this once for tracking a remote controlled robot and it
worked fairly well. I guess that success will also depend on the type of movements the
musician will make. The IR LED would need to stay directed to the wiimote all the times. Also make the LED as omnidirectional as possible... Tim2010/12/1 Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuato76@gmail.com
Hi, i connected pd with arduino and adxl330, works fine, in order to
wireless i prefer arduino bluetooth, the only thing to do is change
the baud for default the in firmata is 57600, in my experience only
works if you change to 115200 (in the standard firmata arduino
sketch,and the arduino monitor).If you have problems i can help you, i send a youtube video , pd +arduino+processing+osc wired...but arduino bluetooth or bluetooth
shield for Arduino is the solution.http://www.youtube.com/user/santorcuato76#p/u/1/SM4Un76LB90
Best regrads from Chile
José
2010/12/1 J bz jbeezez@gmail.com Hey all,
I'm working on composing a piece within pd for viola in which I
would like to attach some kind of sensor to the head of the
instrument. The sensor must be capable of tracking the performers
movements on the x,y,z axis', be undetectable for the performer, and
be wireless. I'm not sure whether something arduino or some sort of
bluetooth device would be preferable?Would be very grateful if any listers have any experience in these
matters and could recommend some devices, pointers of things to
watch out for (bluetooth in concert venues for example), general
sturdiness of various items, etc.Many thanks, and best wishes,
Julian
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problems with bluetooth in concert situations
I think this would mostly depend on how far away you are from the receiver. If you're expecting to be fairly far away (more than 10 or 20 feet) bluetooth is probably not the right choice.
I don't know about that. I have done performances walking around on a stage
of 8 by 8 meters, using a wiimote duct-taped to my guitar to control a pd patch, no problems there. Ofcourse there's no guarantee. If you can, test beforehand in a situation as close to the actual performance as possible, to get an idea if it's reliable... Tim
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Nothing a "sensor" check would not prevent. Its like sound check =P The thing with bluetooth is if you loose the "device" it can take a lot of time to reconnect. But it can be used for 8 meters.
There are other things:
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, tim vets timvets@gmail.com wrote:
2010/12/1 Tedb0t lists@liminastudio.com
problems with bluetooth in concert situations
I think this would mostly depend on how far away you are from the receiver. If you're expecting to be fairly far away (more than 10 or 20 feet) bluetooth is probably not the right choice.
I don't know about that. I have done performances walking around on a
stage of 8 by 8 meters, using a wiimote duct-taped to my guitar to control a pd patch, no problems there. Ofcourse there's no guarantee. If you can, test beforehand in a situation as close to the actual performance as possible, to get an idea if it's reliable... Tim
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Maybe you can create a Helmet...or Hat...cool!!!!...then the wire is not a a problem, also you can hack the wii and select the internal parts to reduce the weight.
Best regards
José
2010/12/1 Pedro Lopes pedro.lopes@ist.utl.pt
Nothing a "sensor" check would not prevent. Its like sound check =P The thing with bluetooth is if you loose the "device" it can take a lot of time to reconnect. But it can be used for 8 meters.
There are other things:
- radio (zigbee, xbee)
- wifi (hooray, i love wifi)
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, tim vets timvets@gmail.com wrote:
2010/12/1 Tedb0t lists@liminastudio.com
problems with bluetooth in concert situations
I think this would mostly depend on how far away you are from the receiver. If you're expecting to be fairly far away (more than 10 or 20 feet) bluetooth is probably not the right choice.
I don't know about that. I have done performances walking around on a
stage of 8 by 8 meters, using a wiimote duct-taped to my guitar to control a pd patch, no problems there. Ofcourse there's no guarantee. If you can, test beforehand in a situation as close to the actual performance as possible, to get an idea if it's reliable... Tim
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Hi I am getting an conflict with Eric Lyon's impulse~ and impulse~ from some other external library Can someone place that name and where it lives?
Pat Pagano
Turn on 'verbose' mode and see which file it was loaded from.
.hc
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote:
Hi I am getting an conflict with Eric Lyon's impulse~ and impulse~ from
some other external library Can someone place that name and where it lives?Pat Pagano
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Hans,
I've tried building entire pd-extended tree from SVN according to the instructions found in the packages/linux_make/README and I got stuck on an error.
scripts/checkout-developer-layout.sh
(downloaded everything into pure-data folder)
cd pure-data/packages/linux_make make install
It builds pd ok but then gets stuck in building jmmmp follows:
install
-p /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/pd/src/notes.txt /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/doc/manuals/Pd
make -C /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions
BUILDLAYOUT_DIR=/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages
cvs_root_dir=/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data
DESTDIR=/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build/ prefix=/usr libpddir=/usr/lib/pd-extended OPT_CFLAGS="-O2 -mtune=i686 -march=i386" UNAME=Linux install
make[2]: Entering directory
/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions' install -d /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra install -d /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/doc/5.reference install -d /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/doc/manuals install -d /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/doc/examples install -d /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/controctopus install -p /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions/sfruit/controctopus/*.pd \ /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/controctopus /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/scripts/generate-libdir-metafile.sh /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra controctopus \ --author "Luke Iannini" \ --license "GNU GPL" \ --description "objects for learning and mapping midi and OSC controllers to pdpatches with scaling and parameter discovery - requires memento-p" make -C /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions/jmmmp DESTDIR="/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build/" objectsdir="/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra" install make[3]: Entering directory
/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions/jmmmp'
install -p -m 755
-d /home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp
test -z "appent.pd ardourjack-gui.pd array+.pd array-edit.pd but.pd
clock.pd dacm~.pd datei-o.pd datei-r.pd datei-w.pd dsp01.pd f+.pd
lbang.pd liner+~.pd liner~.pd m-i.pd maat~.pd mat~.pd metrum.pd met~.pd
mk.pd oscD.pd oscS.pd pd-colors.pd prepent.pd rec-name.pd sguigot.pd
sliders.pd snaps~.pd spectrogram~.pd stoppuhr.pd tastin.pd uhr.pd" ||
install -p -m 644 appent-help.pd ardourjack-gui-help.pd array
+-help.pd array-edit-help.pd but-help.pd clock-help.pd dacm~-help.pd
datei-o-help.pd datei-r-help.pd datei-w-help.pd dsp01-help.pd f+-help.pd
lbang-help.pd liner+~-help.pd liner~-help.pd m-i-help.pd maat~-help.pd
mat~-help.pd metrum-help.pd met~-help.pd mk-help.pd oscD-help.pd
oscS-help.pd pd-colors-help.pd prepent-help.pd rec-name-help.pd
sguigot-help.pd sliders-help.pd snaps~-help.pd spectrogram~-help.pd
stoppuhr-help.pd tastin-help.pd uhr-help.pd
/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages/linux_make/build//usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp
install: cannot stat appent-help.pd': No such file or directory install: cannot stat
ardourjack-gui-help.pd': No such file or directory
install: cannot stat array+-help.pd': No such file or directory install: cannot stat
array-edit-help.pd': No such file or directory
install: cannot stat pd-colors-help.pd': No such file or directory install: cannot stat
prepent-help.pd': No such file or directory
make[3]: *** [install-doc] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions/jmmmp' make[2]: *** [jmmmp_install] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory
/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/abstractions'
make[1]: *** [abstractions_install] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/ico/Downloads/PureData/pure-data/packages'
make: *** [install] Error 2
Any idea as to why is this happening? Seems to me like a broken Makefile, but then again what do I know...
FYI,
Ended-up "touching" fake help-files to get through this one--this definitely looks like a build script bug. Now that the whole tarball is successfully built, main tarball installer (the one that is packaged with the tarball, fails with an error when it tries to install $n-help.pd file from the iemlib as it tries to interpret $n as a variable:
install: cannot stat `lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/-help.pd': No such file or directory
Script has:
install -p 'lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/$n-help.pd'
'$(prefix)/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/$n-help.pd'
How would one make the install script ignore the $ sign? (sorry I am terrible with shell scripting).
Anyone?
Ico
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 23:04 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
FYI,
Ended-up "touching" fake help-files to get through this one--this definitely looks like a build script bug. Now that the whole tarball is successfully built, main tarball installer (the one that is packaged with the tarball, fails with an error when it tries to install $n-help.pd file from the iemlib as it tries to interpret $n as a variable:
install: cannot stat `lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/-help.pd': No such file or directory
Script has:
install -p 'lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/$n-help.pd' '$(prefix)/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/$n-help.pd'
How would one make the install script ignore the $ sign? (sorry I am terrible with shell scripting).
FWIW, tried adding backslash prior to $ and that works on command-line, but not in the Makefile...
Never mind, found out that a double $$ does it.
Hans, this appears to be another build script error.
Thanks!
Ico
More errors:
toxy flatspace flib
never get built using this process for whatever reason.
Ico