Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
It basically allows you to use your keyboard to connect objects to each other. For example, if you select n number of objects alligned from top to bottom and press "c", all of their left inlets and outlets will be connected in the same "top to bottom" fashion. There are also shortcut keys for connecting an outlet to multiple inlets of another object(these all work from top to bottom) and vice versa and bunch of other features. I only miss the "c" shortcut and these "outlet to multiple ins and inverse of it" features actually. Extensive mousing makes me feel uncomfortable and sometimes causes pain so those shortcuts were making my life a lot easier.
I have some programming experience but they were always personal projects and I don't think I can understand PD internals well(C code). To achieve such functionality in PD what would my options be? I think all the gui is handled in pd.tk file with Tcl/Tk(I may be badly mistaken though) so would this be a matter of adding some stuff to tickle scripts? Or is it impossible to do without patching the C code? If I can find a feasible way to do it, I might work on it as the practicality that is gonna bring would be very huge(for me anyways).
Any clues on the possibility of this addition? Here is the youtube video of the max toolbox thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqF9hDNoJk
I'm pretty sure that most of you know about that but if you've never heard of it, then there is the link.
Thanks, Batuhan
You'll want to check out Desire Data, (it's alpha though). Lots of
great ideas in it.
.hc
On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
It basically allows you to use your keyboard to connect objects to
each other. For example, if you select n number of objects alligned from
top to bottom and press "c", all of their left inlets and outlets will be connected in the same "top to bottom" fashion. There are also shortcut keys for connecting an outlet to multiple inlets of another object (these all work from top to bottom) and vice versa and bunch of other
features. I only miss the "c" shortcut and these "outlet to multiple ins and inverse of it" features actually. Extensive mousing makes me feel uncomfortable and sometimes causes pain so those shortcuts were making my life a lot easier.I have some programming experience but they were always personal projects and I don't think I can understand PD internals well(C code). To achieve such functionality in PD what would my options be? I think all the gui is handled in pd.tk file with Tcl/Tk(I may be badly
mistaken though) so would this be a matter of adding some stuff to tickle scripts? Or is it impossible to do without patching the C code? If
I can find a feasible way to do it, I might work on it as the practicality that is gonna bring would be very huge(for me anyways).Any clues on the possibility of this addition? Here is the youtube video of the max toolbox thingy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqF9hDNoJk
I'm pretty sure that most of you know about that but if you've never heard of it, then there is the link.
Thanks, Batuhan
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Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about it. But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first release in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better than anything for sure!
So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any other suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then I'll have to wait for sure.
Thanks! Batuhan
On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about it. But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first
release in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better
than anything for sure!So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any
other suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then I'll have to wait for sure.
I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I think the
same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as well.
I think you could get some of those features working without too much
hassle.
.hc
Thanks! Batuhan
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I think to implement it we would need new externals to provide better access to the window(patche) contents,names and such...
Tom
On 9/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about it. But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first release in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better than anything for sure!
So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any other suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then I'll have to wait for sure.
I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I think the same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as well. I think you could get some of those features working without too much hassle.
.hc
Thanks! Batuhan
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Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about it. But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first release in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better than anything for sure!
So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any other suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then I'll have to wait for sure.
I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I think the same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as well.
I think you could get some of those features working without too much hassle..hc
Yes, they are a set of patches but they are all implemented in max "javascript" objects and they exploit the dynamic patch creation possibilities of Max/MSP as you can create patches with scripting in there, realtime.
Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascript but some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch" facility?
If there is a way of connecting two objects together with a cable by patching, and without actually drawing the connection by mouse then I'm sure it will be fairly easy to do it. But I'm not aware of something giving that possibility to me. Is there any?
Batuhan
As far as I can tell, you can do this with internal messages to Pd. Am I off base here?
~Kyle
On 9/10/07, Batuhan Bozkurt batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about it. But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first release in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better than anything for sure!
So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any other suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then I'll have to wait for sure.
I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I think the same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as well. I think you could get some of those features working without too much hassle.
.hc
Yes, they are a set of patches but they are all implemented in max "javascript" objects and they exploit the dynamic patch creation possibilities of Max/MSP as you can create patches with scripting in there, realtime.
Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascript but some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch" facility?
If there is a way of connecting two objects together with a cable by patching, and without actually drawing the connection by mouse then I'm sure it will be fairly easy to do it. But I'm not aware of something giving that possibility to me. Is there any?
Batuhan
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Starting from scratch (an empty patch) you can do it with internal messages. But with a currently build patch it is not possible now.
Tom
On 9/10/07, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I can tell, you can do this with internal messages to Pd. Am I off base here?
~Kyle
On 9/10/07, Batuhan Bozkurt batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right
before
I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it. But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about
it.
But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first
release
in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better
than
anything for sure!
So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any
other
suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then I'll have to wait for sure.
I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I think the same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as well. I think you could get some of those features working without too much hassle.
.hc
Yes, they are a set of patches but they are all implemented in max "javascript" objects and they exploit the dynamic patch creation possibilities of Max/MSP as you can create patches with scripting in there, realtime.
Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascript but some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch"
facility?
If there is a way of connecting two objects together with a cable by patching, and without actually drawing the connection by mouse then I'm sure it will be fairly easy to do it. But I'm not aware of something giving that possibility to me. Is there any?
Batuhan
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Hi,
On 9/10/07, Batuhan Bozkurt <batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com
> Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascript but > some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch" facility? >
This is possible indeed with the [tot]'s capture option. See tot-monkey.pd in toxy's doc, and look what it does in edit mode, ;).
WHAT! I did not know tot could do that! Surprise, surprise! Thanks Patrice. I could build an object toolbar with that!
Tom
On 9/10/07, Patrice Colet pat@mamalala.org wrote:
Hi,
On 9/10/07, Batuhan Bozkurt <batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com> Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascriptbut
> some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch" facility? >This is possible indeed with the [tot]'s capture option. See tot-monkey.pd in toxy's doc, and look what it does in edit mode, ;).
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Check the pd-msg docs in CVS or in Pd-extended in Help->Browser-
manuals->pd-msg for info on dynamic patch creation with Pd internal
messages.
Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to get info on the objects that
are currently selected. Something like object numbers and x,y
location. With that info, it would be possible in Pd space.
.hc
On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Thomas O Fredericks wrote:
Starting from scratch (an empty patch) you can do it with internal
messages. But with a currently build patch it is not possible now.Tom
On 9/10/07, Kyle Klipowicz kyleklip@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can tell, you can do this with internal messages to Pd. Am I off base here?
~Kyle
On 9/10/07, Batuhan Bozkurt batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
pat wrote:
Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :
Hello,
I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago
right before
I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment
of it.
But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using
Max and
after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that
feature
that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox".
Thanks, Batuhan
hello, you might be interested about this:
http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData
in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the
macro
feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.
Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited
about it.
But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the
first release
in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things
better than
anything for sure!
So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have
any other
suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple
hack I
mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by
myself then
I'll have to wait for sure.
I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I
think the
same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as
well.
I think you could get some of those features working without
too much
hassle.
.hc
Yes, they are a set of patches but they are all implemented in max "javascript" objects and they exploit the dynamic patch creation possibilities of Max/MSP as you can create patches with scripting in there, realtime.
Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascript
but
some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch"
facility?
If there is a way of connecting two objects together with a cable by patching, and without actually drawing the connection by mouse
then I'm
sure it will be fairly easy to do it. But I'm not aware of something giving that possibility to me. Is there any?
Batuhan
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