I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test sandbox))
I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does work with Jack'
so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgrade
I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much confusion:
no audio via ALSA
click save, apply - open and start the Test Audio patch - there is no audio - the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or connect to an audio device - re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all switched back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA OSS emulation?
Libraries are not loading
though they are listed in the .pdextended file
paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the pd plain vanilla version
doing it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on changes since Sept? a change log or something?
any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
regarding issue#1: One thing I did not get, you alsa is not working with pd and baudline or overall?
best regards, pedro p.s: I'm using 10.10 as well (although I never upgrade, but typically install new version on top) and alsa is working with pd fine. Please check if alsa is really working ok, alsaconf, alsamixer and all those typical alsa tricks.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Kim Cascone kim@anechoicmedia.com wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test sandbox))
I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the developer
- was that
'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does work with Jack'
so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgrade
I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much confusion:
problem #1:
no audio via ALSA
- I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB card, click
save, apply
- open and start the Test Audio patch
- there is no audio
- the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or connect to an
audio device
- re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all switched
back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA OSS emulation?
problem #2:
Libraries are not loading
- all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found even
though they are listed in the .pdextended file
- I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where all the
paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the pd plain vanilla version
- was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept and now?
- and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other than doing
it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on changes since Sept? a change log or something?
any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
-- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
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On 01/02/2011 06:57 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
regarding issue#1: One thing I did not get, you alsa is not working with pd and baudline or overall?
no I tested all my apps and they all work (except for baudline) with ALSA and Jack ALSA is working fine but removing the ALSA OSS emu layer from the kernel broke how baudline (and now Pd) worked in Linux when not using Jack
and I agree a clean install is the only way to go -- I never do an upgrade in Ubuntu - I learned my lesson the hard way back in 2006 and have never done an upgrade again :)
best regards, pedro p.s: I'm using 10.10 as well (although I never upgrade, but typically install new version on top) and alsa is working with pd fine. Please check if alsa is really working ok, alsaconf, alsamixer and all those typical alsa tricks.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Kim Cascone <kim@anechoicmedia.com mailto:kim@anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10 which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test sandbox)) I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does work with Jack' so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgrade I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much confusion: problem #1: =========== no audio via ALSA - I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB card, click save, apply - open and start the Test Audio patch - there is no audio - the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or connect to an audio device - re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all switched back to my 'nanokontrol' the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA OSS emulation? problem #2: =========== Libraries are not loading - all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found even though they are listed in the .pdextended file - I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where all the paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the pd plain vanilla version - was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept and now? - and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other than doing it by hand? can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on changes since Sept? a change log or something? any/all help is very appreciated!! oh yeah, happy new year! -- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Your best bet is to use the default preferences, i.e. remove
~/.pdextended. For example, you need to first load the 'libdir'
library in order to load the rest. If you want to maintain a custom
~/.pdextended, then use the included preferences in /usr/lib/pd-
extended/default.pdextended.
I think the best way to manage preferences is to embed them into the
patch itself, i.e. using [import], [declare]. For audio and midi
settings see these help patches in the Help Browser:
hcs -> get-audio-dialog-help.pd hcs -> get-midi-dialog-help.pd
But I must confess, I almost always use the built-in audio on my
laptop, so my setup is quite simple.
.hc
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test
sandbox))I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the
developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does
work with Jack'so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on
my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgradeI have a few questions related to problems that are causing much
confusion:problem #1:
no audio via ALSA
- I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB card,
click save, apply
- open and start the Test Audio patch
- there is no audio
- the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or
connect to an audio device
- re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all
switched back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA
OSS emulation?problem #2:
Libraries are not loading
- all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found
even though they are listed in the .pdextended file
- I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where all
the paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think)
were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the
pd plain vanilla version
- was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept and
now?
- and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other than
doing it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on
changes since Sept? a change log or something?any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
-- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
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On 01/02/2011 08:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Your best bet is to use the default preferences, i.e. remove ~/.pdextended.
OK I'll try this
For example, you need to first load the 'libdir' library in order to load the rest.
libdir is the first lib listed in the startup list
If you want to maintain a custom ~/.pdextended, then use the included preferences in /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended.
I just want to use the .pdsettings file I was using -- at least all my old paths are listed there so I'm fairly certain I was using this
I think the best way to manage preferences is to embed them into the patch itself, i.e. using [import], [declare].
not sure I follow...if my paths are declared in a patch how can I call an external from a lib that is being used by that same patch? wouldn't it be better to have everything (externals, libs etc) load in at app launch?
For audio and midi settings see these help patches in the Help Browser:
hcs -> get-audio-dialog-help.pd hcs -> get-midi-dialog-help.pd
But I must confess, I almost always use the built-in audio on my laptop, so my setup is quite simple.
yeah I did as well and only used Jack when talking to my USB audio card but now since the ALSA OSS emulation layer is no longer in the kernel I suppose I'll need to use Jack for everything - which is not a problem just have to get in the habit of using Jack to point to my various devices
question: if there is no longer an ALSA OSS emulation layer in the kernel and never was ALSA support why does the GUI still have OSS and ALSA as selections in the pull down menu?
.hc
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test sandbox))
I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does work with Jack'
so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgrade
I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much confusion:
problem #1:
no audio via ALSA
- I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB card,
click save, apply
- open and start the Test Audio patch
- there is no audio
- the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or connect
to an audio device
- re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all
switched back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA OSS emulation?
problem #2:
Libraries are not loading
- all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found
even though they are listed in the .pdextended file
- I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where all
the paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the pd plain vanilla version
- was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept and
now?
- and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other than
doing it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on changes since Sept? a change log or something?
any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
-- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
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On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Kim Cascone wrote:
On 01/02/2011 08:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Your best bet is to use the default preferences, i.e. remove
~/.pdextended.OK I'll try this
For example, you need to first load the 'libdir' library in order
to load the rest.libdir is the first lib listed in the startup list
If you want to maintain a custom ~/.pdextended, then use the
included preferences in /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended.I just want to use the .pdsettings file I was using -- at least all
my old paths are listed there so I'm fairly certain I was using thisI think the best way to manage preferences is to embed them into
the patch itself, i.e. using [import], [declare].not sure I follow...if my paths are declared in a patch how can I
call an external from a lib that is being used by that same patch?
wouldn't it be better to have everything (externals, libs etc) load
in at app launch?
If a lib uses another lib, then it should also load it. I usually use
namespace prefixes in that case, i.e. [ggee/getdir] or [zexy/
makesymbol].
.hc
For audio and midi settings see these help patches in the Help
Browser:hcs -> get-audio-dialog-help.pd hcs -> get-midi-dialog-help.pd
But I must confess, I almost always use the built-in audio on my
laptop, so my setup is quite simple.yeah I did as well and only used Jack when talking to my USB audio
card but now since the ALSA OSS emulation layer is no longer in the
kernel I suppose I'll need to use Jack for everything - which is not
a problem just have to get in the habit of using Jack to point to my
various devicesquestion: if there is no longer an ALSA OSS emulation layer in the
kernel and never was ALSA support why does the GUI still have OSS and ALSA as selections in the pull
down menu?.hc
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a
test sandbox))I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the
developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does
work with Jack'so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was
on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgradeI have a few questions related to problems that are causing much
confusion:problem #1:
no audio via ALSA
- I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB
card, click save, apply
- open and start the Test Audio patch
- there is no audio
- the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or
connect to an audio device
- re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all
switched back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA
OSS emulation?problem #2:
Libraries are not loading
- all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found
even though they are listed in the .pdextended file
- I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where
all the paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I
think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used
only by the pd plain vanilla version
- was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept
and now?
- and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other
than doing it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on
changes since Sept? a change log or something?any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
-- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
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Franklin
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during
that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big
Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler
Ugh.
The audio drama in Ubuntu continues......
I've never actually used any other distro than Ubuntu.
How are the other ones handling audio? (Pure dyne, AVLinux, Fedora, etc...)
Do they use pulse audio as well?
-Aaron
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Kim Cascone wrote:
On 01/02/2011 08:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Your best bet is to use the default preferences, i.e. remove ~/.pdextended.
OK I'll try this
For example, you need to first load the 'libdir' library in order to load the rest.
libdir is the first lib listed in the startup list
If you want to maintain a custom ~/.pdextended, then use the included preferences in /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended.
I just want to use the .pdsettings file I was using -- at least all my old paths are listed there so I'm fairly certain I was using this
I think the best way to manage preferences is to embed them into the patch itself, i.e. using [import], [declare].
not sure I follow...if my paths are declared in a patch how can I call an external from a lib that is being used by that same patch? wouldn't it be better to have everything (externals, libs etc) load in at app launch?
If a lib uses another lib, then it should also load it. I usually use namespace prefixes in that case, i.e. [ggee/getdir] or [zexy/makesymbol].
.hc
For audio and midi settings see these help patches in the Help Browser:
hcs -> get-audio-dialog-help.pd hcs -> get-midi-dialog-help.pd
But I must confess, I almost always use the built-in audio on my laptop, so my setup is quite simple.
yeah I did as well and only used Jack when talking to my USB audio card but now since the ALSA OSS emulation layer is no longer in the kernel I suppose I'll need to use Jack for everything - which is not a problem just have to get in the habit of using Jack to point to my various devices
question: if there is no longer an ALSA OSS emulation layer in the kernel and never was ALSA support why does the GUI still have OSS and ALSA as selections in the pull down menu?
.hc
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test sandbox))
I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does work with Jack'
so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgrade
I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much confusion:
problem #1:
no audio via ALSA
- I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB card,
click save, apply
- open and start the Test Audio patch
- there is no audio
- the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or connect to
an audio device
- re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all switched
back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA OSS emulation?
problem #2:
Libraries are not loading
- all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found even
though they are listed in the .pdextended file
- I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where all the
paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the pd plain vanilla version
- was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept and
now?
- and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other than
doing it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on changes since Sept? a change log or something?
any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
-- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
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Nice read this one ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/579300), thanks for pointing Kim.
The audio drama in Ubuntu continues......
I really don't feel that it is a drama. Its a non technological freeze (you had alsa, then oss, then jack, then jack2, then in the future who knows..and these things have to talk to each other and worst.... with hardware!) but that is almost impossible to overcome in the open source world, I guess if people want to freeze, just turn off the updates.. haha.
I've use puredyne and ubuntu a lot. There really good at handling audio, and a lot alike, Using jack I don't feel any issues. The only boring thing is making the browser sound (namelly flash players) going into jack with a lot mumbo-jumbo tricks.
Best regards, Pedro
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote:
Ugh.
The audio drama in Ubuntu continues......
I've never actually used any other distro than Ubuntu.
How are the other ones handling audio? (Pure dyne, AVLinux, Fedora, etc...)
Do they use pulse audio as well?
-Aaron
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@at.or.atwrote:
On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Kim Cascone wrote:
On 01/02/2011 08:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Your best bet is to use the default preferences, i.e. remove ~/.pdextended.
OK I'll try this
For example, you need to first load the 'libdir' library in order to load the rest.
libdir is the first lib listed in the startup list
If you want to maintain a custom ~/.pdextended, then use the included preferences in /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended.
I just want to use the .pdsettings file I was using -- at least all my old paths are listed there so I'm fairly certain I was using this
I think the best way to manage preferences is to embed them into the patch itself, i.e. using [import], [declare].
not sure I follow...if my paths are declared in a patch how can I call an external from a lib that is being used by that same patch? wouldn't it be better to have everything (externals, libs etc) load in at app launch?
If a lib uses another lib, then it should also load it. I usually use namespace prefixes in that case, i.e. [ggee/getdir] or [zexy/makesymbol].
.hc
For audio and midi settings see these help patches in the Help Browser:
hcs -> get-audio-dialog-help.pd hcs -> get-midi-dialog-help.pd
But I must confess, I almost always use the built-in audio on my laptop, so my setup is quite simple.
yeah I did as well and only used Jack when talking to my USB audio card but now since the ALSA OSS emulation layer is no longer in the kernel I suppose I'll need to use Jack for everything - which is not a problem just have to get in the habit of using Jack to point to my various devices
question: if there is no longer an ALSA OSS emulation layer in the kernel and never was ALSA support why does the GUI still have OSS and ALSA as selections in the pull down menu?
.hc
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a test sandbox))
I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10 (my config is in the sig at the end of this email) and every one checked out OK except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the developer - was that 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does work with Jack'
so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was on my 9.04 system which was working fine up until my upgrade
I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much confusion:
problem #1:
no audio via ALSA
- I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB card,
click save, apply
- open and start the Test Audio patch
- there is no audio
- the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or connect to
an audio device
- re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all switched
back to my 'nanokontrol'
the ~/.pdextended file says: noaudioin: True noaudioout: True
I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA OSS emulation?
problem #2:
Libraries are not loading
- all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found even
though they are listed in the .pdextended file
- I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where all
the paths are stored but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used only by the pd plain vanilla version
- was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept and
now?
- and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other than
doing it by hand?
can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on changes since Sept? a change log or something?
any/all help is very appreciated!!
oh yeah, happy new year!
-- *my Linux audio perf config:* Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM Ubuntu 10.10 kernel 2.6.35-24-generic jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6 Ardour 2.8.11 Pd version 0.42.5-extended USB iMic audio interface Korg nanoKontrol cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
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