But maybe someone still has the code on his computer ? Then we could put it into cvs ...

I think (if my memory's not confused) that's actually the crux of it, something about the licensing doesn't permit it to be in CVS?

http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032777.html

Someone who has dealt with this firsthand should enlighten us - Hans, perhaps you can recommend where to go? The source is indeed available in RPM form but I can't get it to unpack on OS X where I want to use it. If we are lucky, maybe the source only needs trivial modifications to be compatible with 0.39 or later (on which platforms?). This is more plausible (for someone who can code) than what Olaf suggested to me which was to take the existing Max source and essentially start over.

The max/msp software lloopp makes excellent use of some of the percolate objects. I would love to use them in my own pd patches. I don't know of how much assistance I can be here because I don't know how to program in C - though it's times like this that make me want to start.

Kevin

Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote:

Okay, I have the source now ...

But I can't see license problems (but I am not really familiar with such topics). The README says:

-----8<--------------8<------- License Agreement

The Software is provided by Dan Trueman, R. Luke DuBois and the Computer Music Center, Columbia University (hereinafter referred to as the "AUTHOR"), free of charge and may be distributed free of charge, provided that this documentation is included unchanged with the software. You may not sell the software, nor may you take a fee or commission for providing the software to another person, nor may you include the software with or as part of other software that is sold for a fee without prior written permission from the Author. Source code for the software, if provided, can be re-used for educational or non-commercial purposes provided the Author is credited both in the product source and in the final product. The source code for this software may not be re-used for commercial purposes without negotiating and obtaining a commercial licensing agreement from the Author. ----8<-------------8<---------

So if there are no objections I will add it the CVS ...

"Objection!" (Phoenix Wright)

This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.

Ciao

Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote:

...

"Objection!" (Phoenix Wright)

This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.

Okay - but what is then e.g. Qt: it is open source (GPL) but when you use it in commercial products you need a commercial licence ...

You don't!

Qt is a bit different than that: You can either use Qt by the terms of the GPL, and you can do this even in commercial products, but of course then you have to follow the terms of the GPL, which for example allows distribution of your Qt-program only, if you put it under the GPL as well.

If you want to avoid the GPL, you can buy Qt under that other licence, which probably does not require that you put your software under GPL.

Just to clear the smoke a bit more that is created by the word "commercial": Everything that is included in a Linux distribution, which can be bought for money - like Redhat or Novell/Suse and even Debian -, then becomes commercial software: the Linux kernel, MySQL, Apache, Audacity, and even Pd.

Ciao

Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

Hallo, Stephen Sinclair hat gesagt: // Stephen Sinclair wrote:

Thanks for all the replies on this topic. I'll try compiling the old verison, or I might just do some hacking myself, at least on the STK objects I need.

STK also is available through some ggee externals in CVSROOT/externals/ggee/experimental and there also are some flext-versions floating around, maybe check the archives.

Contrary to Percolate, STK is properly licensed as free software. I guess, the guys that wrote Percolate also intended to give it an open license, however the current license isn't good enough. It's similar to the issue we had with Csound some years ago. At least that made me abandon Csound and discover Pd. ;)

Ciao

Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

Frank Barknecht wrote:

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So if there are no objections I will add it the CVS ...

"Objection!" (Phoenix Wright)

This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.

i am not sure whether sourceforge forbids to put a code that is licensed like that into their repositories (though i guess frank is right).

apart from that, the license does not forbid to put it into any open (non-commercial) repository.

so imo, the license allows us to include it on sourceforge, but sourceforge does not allow to include code under such license.

mfga.sdr IOhannes

Ciao