Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
An embedded computer (rpi or UDOO, for instance) can totally do this and that's what some of us have used them for. Simplest case is to setup the system, install pd with your patch, and write a script that is launched when the machine boots that connects to the sound card and starts pd. This way it starts immediately when you turn on the power, no interaction required. All of this can be built into a box of some sort, giving you an in/out effects setup. It's what I've done with several systems, although they are not as small as a real pedal.
Any regular USB sound card will work. I recommend the Roland Edirol UA-25 o/ UA-25EX as it's a simple USB 1 sound device that will work with anything that speaks USB audio without a driver. You get instrument jack/XLR preamps in and stereo out.
You could also get this setup with my Pd iOs app PdPartyhttps://github.com/danomatika/PdParty/blob/master/doc/PdParty_User_Guide.mdof Chris McCormick's PdDroidParty http://droidparty.net/ and a sound interface to your mobile device. For instance, I have an Alesis iODock for my iPad which gives me the equivalent of a UA-25. I've also had success using a UA-25 with a powered USB hub connected to the iPad via the camera connection kit usb adapter. Let me know if you want to beta test PdParty as it's currently not released on the App Store.
Subject: Re: [PD] using pd live (sans computer/laptop/raspberry pi)
I'll take this a bit further into newb-question territory.........
Are there any soundcards that output instrument level signals?
This would allow one to use "PD into a computer and then out of a computer" similar to how one uses an effects pedal, no?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote:
List.
Total newb question........
Is there any way to "encapsulate"(?) a pd patch into some sort of hardware (pedal? something else?) allowing for no computers (e.g. no bootup, no load times, etc.) on stage?
I can't imagine that there is but, hey, I have no shame.
Thanks.
Wow. Many thanks, Dan.
I'll look into these options and get back to you then.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
An embedded computer (rpi or UDOO, for instance) can totally do this and that's what some of us have used them for. Simplest case is to setup the system, install pd with your patch, and write a script that is launched when the machine boots that connects to the sound card and starts pd. This way it starts immediately when you turn on the power, no interaction required. All of this can be built into a box of some sort, giving you an in/out effects setup. It's what I've done with several systems, although they are not as small as a real pedal.
Any regular USB sound card will work. I recommend the Roland Edirol UA-25 o/ UA-25EX as it's a simple USB 1 sound device that will work with anything that speaks USB audio without a driver. You get instrument jack/XLR preamps in and stereo out.
You could also get this setup with my Pd iOs app PdPartyhttps://github.com/danomatika/PdParty/blob/master/doc/PdParty_User_Guide.mdof Chris McCormick's PdDroidParty http://droidparty.net/ and a sound interface to your mobile device. For instance, I have an Alesis iODock for my iPad which gives me the equivalent of a UA-25. I've also had success using a UA-25 with a powered USB hub connected to the iPad via the camera connection kit usb adapter. Let me know if you want to beta test PdParty as it's currently not released on the App Store.
Subject: Re: [PD] using pd live (sans computer/laptop/raspberry pi)
I'll take this a bit further into newb-question territory.........
Are there any soundcards that output instrument level signals?
This would allow one to use "PD into a computer and then out of a computer" similar to how one uses an effects pedal, no?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote:
List.
Total newb question........
Is there any way to "encapsulate"(?) a pd patch into some sort of hardware (pedal? something else?) allowing for no computers (e.g. no bootup, no load times, etc.) on stage?
I can't imagine that there is but, hey, I have no shame.
Thanks.
-- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
See this also :D http://danomatika.com/media/projects/s2007/thesis/dwilcox_thesis_arttech_07....
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote:
Wow. Many thanks, Dan.
I'll look into these options and get back to you then.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
An embedded computer (rpi or UDOO, for instance) can totally do this and that's what some of us have used them for. Simplest case is to setup the system, install pd with your patch, and write a script that is launched when the machine boots that connects to the sound card and starts pd. This way it starts immediately when you turn on the power, no interaction required. All of this can be built into a box of some sort, giving you an in/out effects setup. It's what I've done with several systems, although they are not as small as a real pedal.
Any regular USB sound card will work. I recommend the Roland Edirol UA-25 o/ UA-25EX as it's a simple USB 1 sound device that will work with anything that speaks USB audio without a driver. You get instrument jack/XLR preamps in and stereo out.
You could also get this setup with my Pd iOs app PdPartyhttps://github.com/danomatika/PdParty/blob/master/doc/PdParty_User_Guide.mdof Chris McCormick's PdDroidParty http://droidparty.net/ and a sound interface to your mobile device. For instance, I have an Alesis iODock for my iPad which gives me the equivalent of a UA-25. I've also had success using a UA-25 with a powered USB hub connected to the iPad via the camera connection kit usb adapter. Let me know if you want to beta test PdParty as it's currently not released on the App Store.
Subject: Re: [PD] using pd live (sans computer/laptop/raspberry pi)
I'll take this a bit further into newb-question territory.........
Are there any soundcards that output instrument level signals?
This would allow one to use "PD into a computer and then out of a computer" similar to how one uses an effects pedal, no?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.comwrote:
List.
Total newb question........
Is there any way to "encapsulate"(?) a pd patch into some sort of hardware (pedal? something else?) allowing for no computers (e.g. no bootup, no load times, etc.) on stage?
I can't imagine that there is but, hey, I have no shame.
Thanks.
-- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Wow.
That pdf is beyond awesome, Dan. On many different levels.
Question about this part though:
An attached direct box
converts high-impedance signals to microphone level for connection to a stage mixing and amplification systems
(and I guess my previous question still remains unanswered....)
I want to take line-level (which is low-level impedance, correct?) back to instrument-level so as to use the guitar amp.
So how does one get one's guitar "out" of the UDOO and back into the guitar amp?
I'm assuming the only way would be to take the stereo out from the UDOO and plug it into a DI running in reverse and, finally, back into the guitar amp.
But it doesn't sound like that's what you're doing specifically. It almost sounds to me like you go into the 'house mains' sans amps on stage. Or am I missing something (wouldn't be the first time).
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote:
See this also :D http://danomatika.com/media/projects/s2007/thesis/dwilcox_thesis_arttech_07....
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote:
Wow. Many thanks, Dan.
I'll look into these options and get back to you then.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.comwrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
An embedded computer (rpi or UDOO, for instance) can totally do this and that's what some of us have used them for. Simplest case is to setup the system, install pd with your patch, and write a script that is launched when the machine boots that connects to the sound card and starts pd. This way it starts immediately when you turn on the power, no interaction required. All of this can be built into a box of some sort, giving you an in/out effects setup. It's what I've done with several systems, although they are not as small as a real pedal.
Any regular USB sound card will work. I recommend the Roland Edirol UA-25 o/ UA-25EX as it's a simple USB 1 sound device that will work with anything that speaks USB audio without a driver. You get instrument jack/XLR preamps in and stereo out.
You could also get this setup with my Pd iOs app PdPartyhttps://github.com/danomatika/PdParty/blob/master/doc/PdParty_User_Guide.mdof Chris McCormick's PdDroidParty http://droidparty.net/ and a sound interface to your mobile device. For instance, I have an Alesis iODock for my iPad which gives me the equivalent of a UA-25. I've also had success using a UA-25 with a powered USB hub connected to the iPad via the camera connection kit usb adapter. Let me know if you want to beta test PdParty as it's currently not released on the App Store.
Subject: Re: [PD] using pd live (sans computer/laptop/raspberry pi)
I'll take this a bit further into newb-question territory.........
Are there any soundcards that output instrument level signals?
This would allow one to use "PD into a computer and then out of a computer" similar to how one uses an effects pedal, no?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.comwrote:
List.
Total newb question........
Is there any way to "encapsulate"(?) a pd patch into some sort of hardware (pedal? something else?) allowing for no computers (e.g. no bootup, no load times, etc.) on stage?
I can't imagine that there is but, hey, I have no shame.
Thanks.
-- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
-- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote:
Wow.
That pdf is beyond awesome, Dan. On many different levels.
Thanks :D
Question about this part though:
An attached direct box converts high-impedance signals to microphone level for connection to a stage mixing and amplification systems
The DI box is for being able to plug into the house mains via XLR which, as you probably know, is balanced so you can send it alot further. This is especially useful when I generally ask for 2 50 foot XLRs so I can roam around the crowd.
I want to take line-level (which is low-level impedance, correct?) back to instrument-level so as to use the guitar amp.
Well, this is why don't want to use the dinky 1/8 inch audio jacks on an onboard sound card and use a USB sound card with built in preamps which handle the impedance issues. Any better sound card will have balanced 1/4 inch jacks out, which is what my UA-25 has (or at least is what the block diagram on the top says). I've run these into regular guitar amps many times.
So how does one get one's guitar "out" of the UDOO and back into the guitar amp?
guitar --> soundcard neutrik 1/4+XLR combo jack --> stereo 1/4" balanced jacks out --> 1 channel into guitar amp
Obviously you'll want to adjust the levels accordingly. I'd suggest getting a USB soundcard with hardware incoming preamp and outgoing volume controls. This is another reason why I've been using UA-25s.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote: See this also :D http://danomatika.com/media/projects/s2007/thesis/dwilcox_thesis_arttech_07....
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote: Wow. Many thanks, Dan.
I'll look into these options and get back to you then.
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Dan Wilcox danomatika@gmail.com wrote: Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
An embedded computer (rpi or UDOO, for instance) can totally do this and that's what some of us have used them for. Simplest case is to setup the system, install pd with your patch, and write a script that is launched when the machine boots that connects to the sound card and starts pd. This way it starts immediately when you turn on the power, no interaction required. All of this can be built into a box of some sort, giving you an in/out effects setup. It's what I've done with several systems, although they are not as small as a real pedal.
Any regular USB sound card will work. I recommend the Roland Edirol UA-25 o/ UA-25EX as it's a simple USB 1 sound device that will work with anything that speaks USB audio without a driver. You get instrument jack/XLR preamps in and stereo out.
You could also get this setup with my Pd iOs app PdParty of Chris McCormick's PdDroidParty and a sound interface to your mobile device. For instance, I have an Alesis iODock for my iPad which gives me the equivalent of a UA-25. I've also had success using a UA-25 with a powered USB hub connected to the iPad via the camera connection kit usb adapter. Let me know if you want to beta test PdParty as it's currently not released on the App Store.
Subject: Re: [PD] using pd live (sans computer/laptop/raspberry pi)
I'll take this a bit further into newb-question territory.........
Are there any soundcards that output instrument level signals?
This would allow one to use "PD into a computer and then out of a computer" similar to how one uses an effects pedal, no?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Aaron L. elmastero74@gmail.com wrote: List.
Total newb question........
Is there any way to "encapsulate"(?) a pd patch into some sort of hardware (pedal? something else?) allowing for no computers (e.g. no bootup, no load times, etc.) on stage?
I can't imagine that there is but, hey, I have no shame.
Thanks.
-- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
-- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com
Another excellent example is: http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/
You get instrument jack/XLR preamps in and stereo out.
Hey Dan (or anyone who feels compelled to answer....),
How does one use, say, the UDOO board similar to a pedal then?
Doesn't a standard guitar effects pedal's input-jack accept instrument-level as well as output instrument-level at its output jack?
I suppose you could reverse a DI on the output of the UDOO? (As well as a 1/8" to 1/4" adaptor out of that stereo jack.....ugh.)
Is that what one would do to have the PD-effected audio to go back into one's guitar amp?
Thanks.
This is gettin deep!
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
-Jonathan
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
-Jonathan
I appreciate the spirit of that... but man, that would be one intimidating project.
oh to have an infinite number of monkeys programming FPGAs
On 15/03/14 09:56, Charles Z Henry wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkesjancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
-Jonathan
I appreciate the spirit of that... but man, that would be one intimidating project.
oh to have an infinite number of monkeys programming FPGAs
... hence the attraction of building on and adding to open source projects, or falling back on hardware that is at least open, programmable and accessible down to some level. These things are to big to do alone on most scales.
Simon
Hi,
Just one thing about the output. I personnaly use an impedance matching transformer between my soundcard's balanced output and my guitar amp, as explained on this page ( http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/guitar-and-amplifier/). I made a difference in terms of level and perceived signal to noise ratio.
Cheers,
Pierre.
2014-03-15 6:26 GMT+01:00 Simon Wise simonzwise@gmail.com:
On 15/03/14 09:56, Charles Z Henry wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkesjancsika@yahoo.com wrote:
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
-Jonathan
I appreciate the spirit of that... but man, that would be one intimidating project.
oh to have an infinite number of monkeys programming FPGAs
... hence the attraction of building on and adding to open source projects, or falling back on hardware that is at least open, programmable and accessible down to some level. These things are to big to do alone on most scales.
Simon
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list
Le 14/03/2014 22:29, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
sukandar kartadinata made somthing like this 10 year ago. but it was just a prototype and switch to SBC for cost and facility. cheers c
-Jonathan
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Hey Aaron,
Have you checked out the Owl Pedal - http://hoxtonowl.com/ ?
You can run your own C++ and Pd patcheshttp://hoxtonowl.com/2014/03/frankfurt-musikmesse-2014/on the device (it has stereo i/o and 4 parameter knobs).
Cheers, Joe
On 15 March 2014 11:48, Cyrille Henry ch@chnry.net wrote:
Le 14/03/2014 22:29, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
sukandar kartadinata made somthing like this 10 year ago. but it was just a prototype and switch to SBC for cost and facility. cheers
c
-Jonathan
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to be released soon: www.axoloti.be gr, Tim
2014-03-17 11:29 GMT+01:00 Joe White white.joe4@gmail.com:
Hey Aaron,
Have you checked out the Owl Pedal - http://hoxtonowl.com/ ?
You can run your own C++ and Pd patcheshttp://hoxtonowl.com/2014/03/frankfurt-musikmesse-2014/on the device (it has stereo i/o and 4 parameter knobs).
Cheers, Joe
On 15 March 2014 11:48, Cyrille Henry ch@chnry.net wrote:
Le 14/03/2014 22:29, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
On 03/14/2014 03:44 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Without a computer, no. Without a desktop or laptop computer, yes.
Well, maybe we could design and manufacture an enormous ASIC that runs libpd.
sukandar kartadinata made somthing like this 10 year ago. but it was just a prototype and switch to SBC for cost and facility. cheers
c
-Jonathan
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