i consider myself pretty technically able. i've only started VC++ in
windows so that's new territory for me, but i have a few years experience in linux programming, just school stuff though (nothing very deep).
getting GEM to work in either platform has been fucking hell. i
realize it's a good idea to have every extention to Pd made available separately, but if I CAN'T GET THIS SHIT TO WORK, you can sure as hell believe that casual users won't be able to. i think this is all good software but it's just too hard to set up. i believe this stuff can go really far and its user base can get bigger and bigger, but there needs to be some ease-of-installation improvements.
for windows how about having an EXE file that installs everything
like a typical program would? i'm talking about Pd, GEM, all the extentions like GrIPD, IEMLIB, GGEE, and ZEXY. still make the individual parts available to install the old way as well... for purposes unknown and the obvious one of portability; if you want to run pd on a PDA or something and definitely don't need other useless stuff.
for macOS have a same sort of EXE and do the same stuff in linux via
the typical .compile and .configure stuff. good idea???? YES!!! do it! i would except i don't know how.
your friendly but irritated visionary,
scott
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981
Scott i am a mild end-user person who has GEM/pd and all the externals working on WinXP Home, Linux Redhat 7.3, MacOSX and a baby gem 0.84 on Irix 6.3 working fine.
Do you want to use the tool sor make the tools. This is a concern you must address. There are no simple installs with this type of software because it seems to be in constant flux.
good luck
let me know if i can help
PAt
-----Original Message----- From: pd-list-admin@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-admin@iem.at]On Behalf Of J. Scott Hildebrand Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:19 PM To: PD-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] Pd and GEM installation woes
i consider myself pretty technically able. i've only started VC++ in
windows so that's new territory for me, but i have a few years experience in linux programming, just school stuff though (nothing very deep).
getting GEM to work in either platform has been fucking hell. i
realize it's a good idea to have every extention to Pd made available separately, but if I CAN'T GET THIS SHIT TO WORK, you can sure as hell believe that casual users won't be able to. i think this is all good software but it's just too hard to set up. i believe this stuff can go really far and its user base can get bigger and bigger, but there needs to be some ease-of-installation improvements.
for windows how about having an EXE file that installs everything
like a typical program would? i'm talking about Pd, GEM, all the extentions like GrIPD, IEMLIB, GGEE, and ZEXY. still make the individual parts available to install the old way as well... for purposes unknown and the obvious one of portability; if you want to run pd on a PDA or something and definitely don't need other useless stuff.
for macOS have a same sort of EXE and do the same stuff in linux via
the typical .compile and .configure stuff. good idea???? YES!!! do it! i would except i don't know how.
your friendly but irritated visionary,
scott
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981
PD-list mailing list PD-list@iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
Recently in th elast month or so i recall someone posting an example commandline that got the 6 channels out working with pd and my usb audio card by disabling -noadc . I cannot for the life of me find this post and i have scanned the archives.
DOes someone have the line to get 6 out with an emi 2|6 working?
PAt
linux, windows?
under linux you need to use alsa, or the patched version of the oss usb audio driver which allows >2 channels (last time i checked it wasn't in the main kernel yet).
because of this, i use jack (which has better alsa performance than pd for me)... in which case it was just a matter of -outchannels 6 (after getting jack compiled, which was less trivial), i didn't test if adc was working at the same time, but i didn't have to explicitly disable it.
pix.
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:38:03 -0400 "shreeswifty" bigswift@ufl.edu wrote:
Recently in th elast month or so i recall someone posting an example commandline that got the 6 channels out working with pd and my usb audio card by disabling -noadc . I cannot for the life of me find this post and i have scanned the archives.
DOes someone have the line to get 6 out with an emi 2|6 working?
PAt
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Scott,
Some good ideas, but if you feel so strongly about this stuff, put your
money where you mouth is. This is an *all* volenteer community, its not
to to lack of will but do to lack of time that this stuff isnt done.
there are free installation tool packages for windows that would only
take an afternoon to learn and make a pd installer. the key here is
follow through, its going to take keeping up with packages as they
change (though just syncing with the pd-externals package at
sourceforge.net solve 95% of that for you).
think about who you are talking to and how your vulgarity reflects on your message.
-josh
J. Scott Hildebrand wrote:
i consider myself pretty technically able. i've only started VC++ inwindows so that's new territory for me, but i have a few years experience in linux programming, just school stuff though (nothing very deep).
getting GEM to work in either platform has been fucking hell. irealize it's a good idea to have every extention to Pd made available separately, but if I CAN'T GET THIS SHIT TO WORK, you can sure as hell believe that casual users won't be able to. i think this is all good software but it's just too hard to set up. i believe this stuff can go really far and its user base can get bigger and bigger, but there needs to be some ease-of-installation improvements.
for windows how about having an EXE file that installs everythinglike a typical program would? i'm talking about Pd, GEM, all the extentions like GrIPD, IEMLIB, GGEE, and ZEXY. still make the individual parts available to install the old way as well... for purposes unknown and the obvious one of portability; if you want to run pd on a PDA or something and definitely don't need other useless stuff.
for macOS have a same sort of EXE and do the same stuff in linux viathe typical .compile and .configure stuff. good idea???? YES!!! do it! i would except i don't know how.
your friendly but irritated visionary,
scott
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981
PD-list mailing list PD-list@iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
a couple things i should have included, i've noticed lots of people use the winamp installer, plus aparently it has SuperPimp technology, what can be wrong with that? :
http://www.nullsoft.com/free/nsis/
i used spoon installer once, i dont know how they compare feature wise though:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/developer-spoon-installer.htm
and i know you were just frustrated, i didnt mean to imply that you had any ill will.
-josh
Josh Steiner wrote:
Scott,
Some good ideas, but if you feel so strongly about this stuff, put your money where you mouth is. This is an *all* volenteer community, its not to to lack of will but do to lack of time that this stuff isnt done. there are free installation tool packages for windows that would only take an afternoon to learn and make a pd installer. the key here is follow through, its going to take keeping up with packages as they change (though just syncing with the pd-externals package at sourceforge.net solve 95% of that for you).
think about who you are talking to and how your vulgarity reflects on your message.
-josh
J. Scott Hildebrand wrote:
Thank you for expressng my feelings as well about GEM. I was really looking forward to using pd but without GEM.....
Please hurry Ben with that bleeding edge installation program. I am definitely still waiting for it.
Inta
----- Original Message ----- From: J. Scott Hildebrand jshildebrand@ucdavis.edu To: PD-list@iem.at Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: [PD] Pd and GEM installation woes
i consider myself pretty technically able. i've only started VC++ inwindows so that's new territory for me, but i have a few years experience in linux programming, just school stuff though (nothing very deep).
getting GEM to work in either platform has been fucking hell. irealize it's a good idea to have every extention to Pd made available separately, but if I CAN'T GET THIS SHIT TO WORK, you can sure as hell believe that casual users won't be able to. i think this is all good software but it's just too hard to set up. i believe this stuff can go really far and its user base can get bigger and bigger, but there needs to be some ease-of-installation improvements.
for windows how about having an EXE file that installs everythinglike a typical program would? i'm talking about Pd, GEM, all the extentions like GrIPD, IEMLIB, GGEE, and ZEXY. still make the individual parts available to install the old way as well... for purposes unknown and the obvious one of portability; if you want to run pd on a PDA or something and definitely don't need other useless stuff.
for macOS have a same sort of EXE and do the same stuff in linux viathe typical .compile and .configure stuff. good idea???? YES!!! do it! i would except i don't know how.
your friendly but irritated visionary,
scott
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981
PD-list mailing list PD-list@iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
Scott,
Have you downloaded the glut.dll or the GemLibs, wich are needed for Gem to work ?
See under GemLibs here: http://gem.iem.at/download.html
The glut.dll should be in pd/bin
Good Luck /
Martin
i consider myself pretty technically able. i've only started VC++ inwindows so that's new territory for me, but i have a few years experience in linux programming, just school stuff though (nothing very deep).
getting GEM to work in either platform has been fucking hell. irealize it's a good idea to have every extention to Pd made available separately, but if I CAN'T GET THIS SHIT TO WORK, you can sure as hell believe that casual users won't be able to. i think this is all good software but it's just too hard to set up. i believe this stuff can go really far and its user base can get bigger and bigger, but there needs to be some ease-of-installation improvements.
for windows how about having an EXE file that installs everythinglike a typical program would? i'm talking about Pd, GEM, all the extentions like GrIPD, IEMLIB, GGEE, and ZEXY. still make the individual parts available to install the old way as well... for purposes unknown and the obvious one of portability; if you want to run pd on a PDA or something and definitely don't need other useless stuff.
for macOS have a same sort of EXE and do the same stuff in linux viathe typical .compile and .configure stuff. good idea???? YES!!! do it! i would except i don't know how.
your friendly but irritated visionary,
scott
"640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981
PD-list mailing list PD-list@iem.at http://iem.at/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pd-list
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