Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't see any record of OS being added in the release notes...
-Chuckk
That stuff is not maintained. I think it should be folded into
puredata.org and pure-data.sourceforge.net should just redirect. But
others vetoed that idea. Maybe now is a good time to revisit that idea?
.hc
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't see any record of OS being added in the release notes...
-Chuckk
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
That stuff is not maintained. I think it should be folded into puredata.org and pure-data.sourceforge.net should just redirect. But others vetoed that idea. Maybe now is a good time to revisit that idea?
You mean the CVS is not maintained, or the web pages ? I think Chuckk got the sources from CVS, not from the web, as there are no sources there. I think pure-data.sf.net should list just information for developers and how to use the CVS, and not link to the whole puredata.org site. Of course we could setup something similar at puredata.org and link to it.
Günter
.hc
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't see any record of OS being added in the release notes...
-Chuckk
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On Aug 9, 2006, at 5:17 PM, geiger wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
That stuff is not maintained. I think it should be folded into puredata.org and pure-data.sourceforge.net should just redirect. But others vetoed that idea. Maybe now is a good time to revisit that
idea?You mean the CVS is not maintained, or the web pages ? I think Chuckk got the sources from CVS, not from the web, as there
are no sources there. I think pure-data.sf.net should list just
information for developers and how to use the CVS, and not link to the whole
puredata.org site. Of course we could setup something similar at puredata.org
and link to it.
All that content is already on puredata.org. That sourceforge page
is just an old copy of things that hasn't been maintained since Oct.
2004.
.hc
Günter
.hc
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try
again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't
see any record of OS being added in the release notes...-Chuckk
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
All that content is already on puredata.org. That sourceforge page is just an old copy of things that hasn't been maintained since Oct. 2004.
Not updated != not maintained. I think the information there is still valuable and easier to access than the WIKI. I am also missing the information about the trackers on the WIKI, but maybe I just didn't look hard enough.
Günter
.hc
Günter
.hc
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't see any record of OS being added in the release notes...
-Chuckk
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On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:33 AM, geiger wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
All that content is already on puredata.org. That sourceforge page is just an old copy of things that hasn't been maintained since Oct. 2004.
Not updated != not maintained. I think the information there
These pages are out of date:
http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/download.php
http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/documentation.php
is still valuable and easier to access than the WIKI. I am also missing the information about the trackers on the WIKI, but maybe I just didn't look hard enough.
Ah, ok the trackers page isn't in puredata.org
http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/trackers.php
but it would be trivial to move it there. Something like:
http://puredata.org/dev/trackers
There is already a link to the bug tracker:
http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker/
I would happily move that page to puredata.org if you agree that we
can redirect pure-data.sourceforge.net to puredata.org
.hc
Günter
.hc
Günter
.hc
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made
zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't see any record of OS being added in the release notes...-Chuckk
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:33 AM, geiger wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
All that content is already on puredata.org. That sourceforge page is just an old copy of things that hasn't been maintained since Oct. 2004.
Not updated != not maintained. I think the information there
These pages are out of date:
well, i have seen worse on the puredata.org page. all the links work, and point to the right resource.
this page has never been really finished. I would say 50% of puredata.org are in the same state.
is still valuable and easier to access than the WIKI. I am also missing the information about the trackers on the WIKI, but maybe I just didn't look hard enough.
Ah, ok the trackers page isn't in puredata.org
http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/trackers.php
but it would be trivial to move it there. Something like:
http://puredata.org/dev/trackers
There is already a link to the bug tracker:
http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker/
I would happily move that page to puredata.org if you agree that we can redirect pure-data.sourceforge.net to puredata.org
Everything that avoids duplication is good for me.
I think that puredata.org needs a bit more work than just copying the link to the feature and patch trackers.
-) http://puredata.org/dev/ has several broken links (externals, abstraction, etc, etc.. -) what is the difference between puredata.org/dev and http://puredata.org/docs/developer/ ? its bad to have the information in two different places. maybe we can merge this. -) Instead(or in addition) of having a link to a list of bugs, the bug tracker should have a link to the bug submit page (same for feature request and patches).
In general I find the wiki pretty confusing, but maybe I am just too old and conservative. I would say we try to fix this, so that changing the link really is an improvement of the situation.
Günter
I just want to say I think it's awesome of all you guys to maintain these pages at all. If I ever update my dusty old webpage, maybe I'll put up some Pd stuff. -Chuckk
Thanks for the words of support. Even better would be some help with
the web site! ;-P Mind-blowing art is good too.
.hc
On Aug 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
I just want to say I think it's awesome of all you guys to maintain these pages at all. If I ever update my dusty old webpage, maybe I'll put up some Pd stuff. -Chuckk
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three
meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds,
and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin
Luther King, Jr.
I think I've shown how useful my web skills are. I'll take a stab at some art.
On 8/10/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
Thanks for the words of support. Even better would be some help with the web site! ;-P Mind-blowing art is good too.
.hc
On Aug 10, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
I just want to say I think it's awesome of all you guys to maintain these pages at all. If I ever update my dusty old webpage, maybe I'll put up some Pd stuff. -Chuckk
I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
On Aug 10, 2006, at 12:37 PM, geiger wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Aug 10, 2006, at 5:33 AM, geiger wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
All that content is already on puredata.org. That sourceforge page is just an old copy of things that hasn't been maintained since
Oct. 2004.Not updated != not maintained. I think the information there
These pages are out of date:
well, i have seen worse on the puredata.org page. all the links work, and point to the right resource.
But they are links to stuff that is deprecated and not maintained,
like the "externals" binary collection. Please let me know if there
are any broken links on this page:
this page has never been really finished. I would say 50% of puredata.org are in the same state.
Feel free to finish it! ;)
is still valuable and easier to access than the WIKI. I am also missing the information about the trackers on the WIKI, but maybe I just didn't look hard enough.
Ah, ok the trackers page isn't in puredata.org
http://pure-data.sourceforge.net/trackers.php
but it would be trivial to move it there. Something like:
http://puredata.org/dev/trackers
There is already a link to the bug tracker:
http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker/
I would happily move that page to puredata.org if you agree that we can redirect pure-data.sourceforge.net to puredata.org
Everything that avoids duplication is good for me.
I think that puredata.org needs a bit more work than just copying the link to the feature and patch trackers.
-) http://puredata.org/dev/ has several broken links (externals, abstraction, etc, etc..
Its a wiki page, so anyone should feel free to correct such things.
You just need to make an account and log in.
-) what is the difference between puredata.org/dev and http://puredata.org/docs/developer/ ? its bad to have the information in two different places. maybe we can merge this.
puredata.org/dev is not documentation, so it does not belong in the
docs section. Developer docs go in docs/developer. /dev/ is for
things related to development, like links to the trackers, wiki pages
for certain projects (Gem, PDDP, etc).
-) Instead(or in addition) of having a link to a list of bugs, the bug tracker should have a link to the bug submit page (same for feature request and patches).
Sounds like a good idea. Its a wiki page, feel free to edit it.
In general I find the wiki pretty confusing, but maybe I am just too old and conservative. I would say we try to fix this, so that changing the link really is an improvement of the situation.
Yes, its not perfectly organized, that's for sure. But most of it is
in wiki format, so its easy to update. People should jump in and
clean up areas that they know something about.
.hc
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
well, i have seen worse on the puredata.org page. all the links work, and point to the right resource.
But they are links to stuff that is deprecated and not maintained, like the "externals" binary collection.
So you think Millers site is deprecated and not maintained, or are you just exagerating to get the point over ?
puredata.org/dev is not documentation, so it does not belong in the docs section. Developer docs go in docs/developer. /dev/ is for things related to development, like links to the trackers, wiki pages for certain projects (Gem, PDDP, etc).
I would like to put puredata.org/dev in shape, but its not that easy, as I just do not understand its structure. I would probably remodel it after the pure-data.sf site, and you wouldn't like it. We would end up in endless discussions who is right, you wouldn' t give in ...
I felt responsible for pure-data.sf.net, you tell me that I do not maintain it and that it out of date, exagerating to get your point over, I give in, you tell me I should fix the mess you created. defend my self
On Aug 10, 2006, at 4:56 PM, geiger wrote:
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
well, i have seen worse on the puredata.org page. all the links
work, and point to the right resource.But they are links to stuff that is deprecated and not maintained, like the "externals" binary collection.
So you think Millers site is deprecated and not maintained, or are you just exagerating to get the point over ?
I don't follow... I wasn't trying to exagerate. I was referring to
the "pd-externals" section on the downloads page which has not been
updated since 2003-03-11.
puredata.org/dev is not documentation, so it does not belong in the docs section. Developer docs go in docs/developer. /dev/ is for things related to development, like links to the trackers, wiki pages for certain projects (Gem, PDDP, etc).
I would like to put puredata.org/dev in shape, but its not that easy, as I just do not understand its structure. I would probably remodel it after the pure-data.sf site, and you wouldn't like it. We would end up in endless discussions who is right, you wouldn' t
give in ...I felt responsible for pure-data.sf.net, you tell me that I do not maintain it and that it out of date, exagerating to get your point
over, I give in, you tell me I should fix the mess you created. defend my self
I had no idea that it was maintained. I was just going the fact that
it links to some quite old stuff and by the timestamp on the pages:
Last Modified: October 19 2004 15:07:47 GMT
I personally want to avoid fighting over anything. If people want to
fight, I'll do something else. If you don't want change that site,
no problem. I don't really want to spend a long time discussing it,
I've said my two bits. But I would like it a lot if you (or anyone
for that matter) worked on organizing the puredata.org/dev section,
as long as we can agree on the basic premise. If you didn't notice,
I moved that stuff on the front page of /dev/ to /docs/developer/
Repositories since I think that makes more sense, like you said that
parts should be in the docs section. If that doesn't make sense, the
changes can easily be reverted back to the old site, Plone keeps a
history of everything AFAIK.
That's the idea of the wikis. Anyone can edit, and if a change is
not so good, it can be reverted.
.hc
All I know is every Google search turns up something different. If you Google the words pure data cyclone, the 7th link is the one that actually goes to cyclone. I'd rather not be so google-dependent, but I don't know any one site to use, and I actually didn't find any links to cyclone from the main PD sites. I also hate asking the mailing list where a particular external is.
On 8/9/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner hans@eds.org wrote:
That stuff is not maintained. I think it should be folded into puredata.org and pure-data.sourceforge.net should just redirect. But others vetoed that idea. Maybe now is a good time to revisit that idea?
.hc
On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
Is http://pure-data.sourceforge.netstill updated? I just made zexy from it and found it doesn't have [operating_system]. I'll try again with zexy from ftp://iem.at/pd/Externals/ZEXY . Although I don't see any record of OS being added in the release notes...
-Chuckk
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Hallo, Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
All I know is every Google search turns up something different. If you Google the words pure data cyclone, the 7th link is the one that actually goes to cyclone. I'd rather not be so google-dependent, but I don't know any one site to use, and I actually didn't find any links to cyclone from the main PD sites. I also hate asking the mailing list where a particular external is.
Practically every Pd external is on pure-data.sf.net, however it's in the CVS repository. See http://puredata.org/dev/cvs/ for how to use this directly.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
On 8/10/06, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
Hallo, Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
All I know is every Google search turns up something different. If you Google the words pure data cyclone, the 7th link is the one that actually goes to cyclone. I'd rather not be so google-dependent, but I don't know any one site to use, and I actually didn't find any links to cyclone from the main PD sites. I also hate asking the mailing list where a particular external is.
Practically every Pd external is on pure-data.sf.net, however it's in the CVS repository. See http://puredata.org/dev/cvs/ for how to use this directly.
I actually did this a few days ago, but somehow missed cyclone. There it is! But still, would it hurt for there to be a link to its homepage from one of the html sites?
Ciao
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