Hi, Another question in a very general vein. I asked this on the Csound list a while back (when i was using csound) with good results. I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as my current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on how to fatten it up a bit? I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the 303 sound, just a nice acid sound. Hints? Tips? Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
Regards,
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Hi, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote:
I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as my current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on how to fatten it up a bit?
I might be wrong, but I think the 303 uses a square type of wave, so if you use a square it might sound better. I did a simple 303-like patch (pd303) using two LADSPA plugins for Linux, one square wave osc with a little distortion (plugin.org.uk) and the LADSPA-CMT-plugin vcf303 (www.ladspa.org/cmt) that is modeled after the vcf in the Roland 303. It sounds quite ok, but is linux only until someone ports the plugins to other systems or directly to PD, which shouldn't be very hard.
Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
The place is www.pure-data.org. You could also check the users list and visit all their homepages, which is quite interesting ;)
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Have you tried different filters? moog~ (from ggee) and svf~ (http://www.macalester.edu/~bsaylor) can produce some acid sounds. Try modulating the q as well as the cutoff frequency. Also, try applying some distortion.
Ben
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:07:31PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote:
Hi, Another question in a very general vein. I asked this on the Csound list a while back (when i was using csound) with good results. I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as my current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on how to fatten it up a bit? I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the 303 sound, just a nice acid sound. Hints? Tips? Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
Regards,
Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt
The VCO of the 303 is made with diodes. so, it's not a reel saw-tooth. it's more like : saw-tooth -> distortion -> VCF
ch
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McCormick" chris@perthweb.net.au To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: [PD] acid
Hi, Another question in a very general vein. I asked this on the Csound list a while back (when i was using csound) with good results. I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as
my
current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on how to fatten it up a bit? I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the 303 sound, just a nice acid sound. Hints? Tips? Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
Regards,
Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt
Hi Past-me,
Sorry it took me 12 and a bit years to get back to you on this, but you might find this useful in your quest to produce an acidy type sound:
https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core
You can get it with git:
$ git clone https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core $ git submodule init $ git submodule update
Then open acid-core-help.pd
to see how to use it. Have fun!
Best regards,
Future-me.
PS Mid-2014 you are out for an afternoon walk with the family on a hillside in Umbria. You decide to explore a small dirt road while they wait behind on the main road. When you are done exploring you turn around to head back to the main road. Duck.
PPS I just realised Torvalds hasn't yet written git. I'll send you the tar file.
PPSS Buy quite a lot of bitcoins.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:07:31PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote:
Hi, Another question in a very general vein. I asked this on the Csound list a while back (when i was using csound) with good results. I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as my current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on how to fatten it up a bit? I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the 303 sound, just a nice acid sound. Hints? Tips? Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
Regards,
Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt
Hi (Present-)Chris,
I'd like to try out your patch, $ git clone https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core $ cd pd-acid-core # otherwise "fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git" $ git submodule init $ git submodule update
Cloning into 'blockhead'... Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists. Clone of 'git@github.com:chr15m/blockhead.git' into submodule path 'blockhead' failed
hints? thanks! Tim
2014-08-12 15:34 GMT+02:00 Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx:
Hi Past-me,
Sorry it took me 12 and a bit years to get back to you on this, but you might find this useful in your quest to produce an acidy type sound:
https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core
You can get it with git:
$ git clone https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core $ git submodule init $ git submodule update
Then open
acid-core-help.pd
to see how to use it. Have fun!Best regards,
Future-me.
PS Mid-2014 you are out for an afternoon walk with the family on a hillside in Umbria. You decide to explore a small dirt road while they wait behind on the main road. When you are done exploring you turn around to head back to the main road. Duck.
PPS I just realised Torvalds hasn't yet written git. I'll send you the tar file.
PPSS Buy quite a lot of bitcoins.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:07:31PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote:
Hi, Another question in a very general vein. I asked this on the Csound list
a
while back (when i was using csound) with good results. I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as
my
current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on
how
to fatten it up a bit? I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the 303 sound, just a nice acid sound. Hints? Tips? Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
Regards,
Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt
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Hi Tim!
On 12/08/14 16:03, tim vets wrote:
Cloning into 'blockhead'... Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
Should be fixed now, sorry about that! You may need to rm -rf pd-acid-core
and start again.
Chris.
works now, thanks! cool patch :) Tim
2014-08-12 17:48 GMT+02:00 Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx:
Hi Tim!
On 12/08/14 16:03, tim vets wrote:
Cloning into 'blockhead'... Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
Should be fixed now, sorry about that! You may need to
rm -rf pd-acid-core
and start again.Chris.
Thank you, Chris of all tenses!
I'm wondering what was off with your original, 12 year old approach - it looks to me like "(maybe-not-bandlimited?)-saw-tooth-through-a-vcf" basically turned into "bandlimited-saw-tooth-or-sometimes-a-square-through-a-vcf." Doesn't look wildly different, but maybe the envelope and portmanteau had a big impact? Sounds pretty much like a 303 to my ears.
Future Brian, will you please send me some nice drums? You don't need to wait twelve years, I can start using them tonight...
Sincerely,
Present-but-soon-to-be-past-Brian
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM, tim vets timvets@gmail.com wrote:
works now, thanks! cool patch :) Tim
2014-08-12 17:48 GMT+02:00 Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx:
Hi Tim!
On 12/08/14 16:03, tim vets wrote:
Cloning into 'blockhead'... Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
Should be fixed now, sorry about that! You may need to
rm -rf pd-acid-core
and start again.Chris.
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Hi Chris , i been playing with your patch, basically im trying to make the sequences/tables bigger and then load some data on them. But theres something i dont understand.... why does $1/notes has only 4 steps while the other sequences have 16 steps?
I need to have all my sequences with 120 steps but $1/notes is not working...
any idea?
2014-08-12 6:34 GMT-07:00, Chris McCormick chris@mccormick.cx:
Hi Past-me,
Sorry it took me 12 and a bit years to get back to you on this, but you might find this useful in your quest to produce an acidy type sound:
https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core
You can get it with git:
$ git clone https://github.com/chr15m/pd-acid-core $ git submodule init $ git submodule update
Then open
acid-core-help.pd
to see how to use it. Have fun!Best regards,
Future-me.
PS Mid-2014 you are out for an afternoon walk with the family on a hillside in Umbria. You decide to explore a small dirt road while they wait behind on the main road. When you are done exploring you turn around to head back to the main road. Duck.
PPS I just realised Torvalds hasn't yet written git. I'll send you the tar file.
PPSS Buy quite a lot of bitcoins.
On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:07:31PM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote:
Hi, Another question in a very general vein. I asked this on the Csound list a
while back (when i was using csound) with good results. I'm trying to produce an acidy type sound (eg 303) and having trouble as my current saw-tooth-through-a-vcf just sounds pretty wimpy. Any ideas on how
to fatten it up a bit? I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the 303 sound, just a nice acid sound. Hints? Tips? Is there some place where people post interesting Pd patches they've created for others to download at try out? Should there be?
Regards,
Chris. ______________________________________________________ Chris McCormick - Systems Developer - PerthWeb Pty Ltd Internet Solutions for your business! Level 9/105 St George's Tc - Perth - Western Australia Ph: (08) 9226 1366 Fax: (08) 9226 1375 Visit Perth online! : www.perthweb.com.au PGP Key = http://www.perthweb.com.au/~chris/public.txt
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Hi Ronni,
On 13/08/14 16:03, Ronni Montoya wrote:
Hi Chris , i been playing with your patch, basically im trying to make the sequences/tables bigger and then load some data on them. But theres something i dont understand.... why does $1/notes has only 4 steps while the other sequences have 16 steps?
I need to have all my sequences with 120 steps but $1/notes is not working...
any idea?
The notes table is a lookup, so the sequence table indexes into that table to find out what note it should be playing. That is so that I can share the key the device is playing in over the network with other patches. I think it should be possible just to set the notes table to 1 to 13 (0 is a rest) and then index sequence into it if you want sequence to directly represent the melody.
Cheers,
Chris.
Hi Brian,
On 13/08/14 01:10, Brian Fay wrote:
I'm wondering what was off with your original, 12 year old approach - it looks to me like "(maybe-not-bandlimited?)-saw-tooth-through-a-vcf" basically turned into "bandlimited-saw-tooth-or-sometimes-a-square-through-a-vcf." Doesn't look wildly different, but maybe the envelope and portmanteau had a big impact? Sounds pretty much like a 303 to my ears.
I think you're right about all of the above - the band-limited oscillators, envelope, portmanteau etc. It's those bouncy non-linearities that lend the 303 it's characteristic sound.
I did a bit of research to try and re-create some of that. My envelopes are control-rate and I didn't really get the non-linear resonance "memory" effect happening I don't think, so it's not that faithful a reproduction, but good enough for algorave dance floors it turns out.
Cheers,
Chris.