Hello from real world,
As several of you might already know, now it is official. Check this out:
A fully functional Pd just hit the iphone appstore, and you can create Pd patches with the system and run them on the iPhone.
I really appreciate that some of you, developpers, like to invent PD devs for such mobile devices. Great developpements. Big fun. But you spend a lot of time for those games for rich, for an elite. In many countries, just the price of an Iphone and accessories is enough to feed one starving family FOR A YEAR ! [For the first time ever, this year, this evening, about 850 million humans will go to bed hungry, like yesterday, and may be tomorrow]. When some of our best PD brains are working (with FLOSS) for few riches only, it is a mystery for me.
BUT some PD-developpements for handheld devices have been done to run PD on small CPUs: has someone succeeded in installing PD on an OLPC XO ? I have no competency to do it, but if some people in france want to try, we have some XO available in the hackerspace tmp/lab in Vitry. Contact OLPC-france.
JN
hi JN,
I appreciate this sentiment.
(& I've been a little involved with the RJDJ project as well, though I
don't own an iPhone and even my iPod mini is many generations old now,
but still does its job well).
In some senses, the wealth argument is a slippery slope - and any of
us with a laptop or even a decent desktop are much more wealthy than
the majority of the world.
But rather than debate this, I'd like to point out the positives:
- The RJDJ project has actually injected quite a bit of new energy
into making Pure Pd abstractions.
& Pure Pd is useful to everybody, and probably very useful to a
project to get Pd onto OLPC.
- Also, RJDJ ultimately want to work with other suitable mobile
devices as well.
I am interested in the PD on OLPC idea, and I'm in France (though I'm
busy this month) - so I'll contact you and see if I could help.
(although my linux skills are not as deep as many, so if more capable
people can contribute first that's great)
Nicholas Mariette
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Jean-Noël Montagné wrote:
Hello from real world,
As several of you might already know, now it is official. Check this out:
A fully functional Pd just hit the iphone appstore, and you can
create Pd patches with the system and run them on the iPhone.I really appreciate that some of you, developpers, like to invent PD devs for such mobile devices. Great developpements. Big fun. But you spend a lot of time for those games for rich, for an elite. In many countries, just the price of an Iphone and accessories is enough to feed one starving family FOR A YEAR ! [For the first time ever, this year, this evening, about 850 million humans will go to bed hungry, like yesterday, and may be tomorrow]. When some of our best PD brains are working (with FLOSS) for few riches only, it is a mystery for me.
BUT some PD-developpements for handheld devices have been done to run PD on small CPUs: has someone succeeded in installing PD on an OLPC XO ? I have no competency to do it, but if some people in france want to try, we have some XO available in the hackerspace tmp/lab in Vitry. Contact OLPC-france.
JN
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ydegoyon wrote:
but nobody noticed ?
RJDJ can be downloaded for the modest price of 2 euros....
err, where's the bug, you or me?
sorry if that sounded agressive, it's perfectly allright to ask 2 euros to some people who put 200 euros in a b**** telephone.
with that money, you can also pay a shelter for a month to an indian kid from the street.
the real problem is that the Open Moko doesn't have a camera ! ( anyway i wouldn't buy any of this devices, i don't like pictures )
alvida! sevy
sevy
Hi Yves,
We got you :) its not 2 $, its 2.99, which is about 3 $. Old
capitalist trick.
Anyhow, the application itself is free, what we do is charge for
scenes. Thats why there is RJDJ-single, which can
be perfectly be used by pd patchers. Our website has the instructions
on how to create and upload new scenes.
We plan to release more scenes, free ones and cheap ones, the creator
can decide, basically.
Good news is that RJDJ also works on the 2nd generation ipod touch,
which makes it pretty accessible for
about everyone. You will have to buy a headset with integrated
microphone and then you can start patching.
The price of these devices is about 250 Euros, which I think is not
that expensive.
Günter
PS
I also had an idea how to save indian kids, everytime we go out we
could just drink one beer less,
and spare that money for indian kids instead of cutting down on our
creative possibilities.
On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:29 PM, ydegoyon wrote:
ydegoyon wrote:
but nobody noticed ?
RJDJ can be downloaded for the modest price of 2 euros....
err, where's the bug, you or me?
sorry if that sounded agressive, it's perfectly allright to ask 2 euros to some people who put 200 euros in a b**** telephone.
with that money, you can also pay a shelter for a month to an indian kid from the street.
the real problem is that the Open Moko doesn't have a camera ! ( anyway i wouldn't buy any of this devices, i don't like pictures )
alvida! sevy
sevy
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Jean-Noël Montagné wrote:
I really appreciate that some of you, developpers, like to invent PD devs for such mobile devices. Great developpements. Big fun. But you spend a lot of time for those games for rich, for an elite. In many countries, just the price of an Iphone and accessories is enough to feed one starving family FOR A YEAR !
you're preaching to the converted on this one. the second or third day i was here i got very drunk with the CEO and berated him over exactly this.
and yet, we do it anyway.
if i wasn't doing this, someone else would be. and at least in this case i get to play the dirty anarchist, getting drunk with the CEO and reminding him that he lives in a super-rich country and that life for most people on the world sucks, that the things he is basing his career on (the things *all* of us are basing our careers on) are non-recyclable non-renewable and directly contributing to the loss of habitat, environment, biodiversity, human rights, and clean water in places as far away as China and South America.
there's arguments to be said that making music is a way around this - making music, if it emotionally affects people, is a way of wresting their consciousnesses away from a work-consume-sleep-die lifecycle and toward something more real. my work on RjDj will potentially lead to more situations where i can meet more people face to face, and i'm a semi-vegan anarchist environmentalist, the sort of guy who shares opinions unasked for.
so.
d
namaste,
i'm a semi-vegan anarchist environmentalist, the sort of guy who shares opinions unasked for.
man you made a step, we will not deny it, but anarchy is not about eating meat or not it's about questioning structures and controls, the first of this being a 'curator', well, curators fuck offf!!
i can also paste to you a few words from the old days :
"If there was no government, wouldn't there be chaos? Everybody running around, setting petrol bombs off? And if there was no police force, tell me what you'd do If thirty thousand rioters came running after you? And who would clean the sewers? Who'd mend my television? Wouldn't people lay about without some supervision? Who'd drive the fire engines? Who'd fix my video? If there were no prisons, well, where would robbers go? so what if i'd tell you to f*** off"
anarchy is no joke, it's a serious activity
best, sevy
so.
d
ydegoyon wrote:
namaste,
i'm a semi-vegan anarchist environmentalist, the sort of guy who shares opinions unasked for.
man you made a step, we will not deny it, but anarchy is not about eating meat or not it's about questioning structures and controls,
realistically, it's also about finding a place for yourself somewhere between and around the frameworks of said structures and controls, where you can have room to live your life in a way that makes sense within the contemporary historical context, without needing to completely withdraw from society (the hippies already tried that in the 70s, and it didn't work).
d
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