Hi all,

I'll try to compile Pd for IRIX soon.. I forgot. But obviously there is still demand for it...

cheers Miller

On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:07:48PM +0200, Søren Bovbjerg wrote:

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Is there any chance that there will be a PD 0.35 for IRIX, or has that platform been dropped? (Or does the Linux version compile on IRIX?)

Well, I had the chance to try this out myself. V.0.35 will not compile on Irix. V.034 will run but not recompile (to make use of the 8 channel output). I am out of ideas.

/Soeren

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Thanks fo the warning... I haven't ever managed to get Pd running with a soundcard/P4/W2K yet, but I've heard rumors that the execution times are bad. I normally run Linux.

I've got preliminary results that show that, on average, my P4 1600 doesn't run much faster than my P3/866. So Pd users everywhere should buy celerons at 1.2-1.4 GHZ for best results. They cost $60 and seem to outrun P4s, not to mention celerons at 1.7+ which are downgraded P4s.

For video processing I think I'm going to find that the P4 greatly outruns the P3/celeron but I haven't had time to run the experiment.

Anyway, if some of this is because of new FP trap behavior, I'd better find out about it and fix Pd to work around the problems. As Thomas suggests, anything you're finding out about running Pd on various processors, I'd sure love to hear about it!

cheers Miller

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 01:40:55AM +0200, Thomas Musil wrote:

Hi list,

Please try this benchmark-patch with 6 "hip~" Filters on a P4 (attached: test-hip~.pd). I ran this patch under w2k with a Pentium 4 / 2Ghz.

results: with white noise input, 6 hip~ take 0.1 % with zero-signal they eat about 31 % (denormalization of P4).

Question: could somebody try this patch under win_XP and/or under Linux and report his experience ?

my workaround was: adding a -200 dB noise to each filter.

i found some hints under:

http://music.calarts.edu/~majordom/music-dsp/2001-may/msg00470.html

Thomas Musil #N canvas 221 50 680 593 12; #X obj 357 147 noise~; #X obj 384 176 *~ 1; #X obj 384 201 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 228 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 254 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 281 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 306 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 333 hip~ 5; #X msg 439 109 0; #X msg 476 109 1; #X floatatom 112 559 4 0 0; #X obj 19 326 cputime; #X msg 19 238 1; #X floatatom 19 261 1 0 0; #X obj 19 303 t b b; #X obj 19 350 int; #X obj 19 213 loadbang; #X msg 15 92 ; pd dsp $1; #X msg 15 42 1; #X floatatom 15 68 1 0 0; #X obj 15 17 loadbang; #X text 43 259 cpu_load_on/off; #X text 39 66 dsp_on/off; #X obj 84 436 f; #X obj 44 500 +; #X obj 19 399 t f b; #X obj 19 435 * 0.1; #X obj 84 460 * 0.9; #X text 156 558 % cpu_mean; #X floatatom 112 538 4 0 0; #X text 153 538 % cpu_peak; #X text 293 44 with 6 recursive-filters; #X text 326 62 (lop~ or hip~); #X obj 19 281 metro 1000; #X obj 19 374 * 0.1; #X obj 102 409 unpack; #X text 176 335 fast; #X text 178 359 medium; #X text 193 386 slow; #X msg 102 385 0.05 0.95; #X msg 102 360 0.3 0.7; #X msg 102 336 0.8 0.2; #X floatatom 439 147 5 0 0; #X text 291 28 benchmark for Pentium 4 / 2 GHz; #X text 430 436 dsp_ON , noise_mul=1: 5.4 %; #X text 430 449 dsp_ON , noise_mul=0: 36.2 %; #X text 430 424 dsp_OFF , noise_mul=1: 5.3 %; #X text 420 407 benchmark-results under w2k:; #X text 101 315 cpu_mean_lowpass-time:; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 8 0 42 0; #X connect 9 0 42 0; #X connect 11 0 15 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 13 0 33 0; #X connect 14 0 11 0; #X connect 14 1 11 1; #X connect 15 0 34 0; #X connect 16 0 12 0; #X connect 18 0 19 0; #X connect 19 0 17 0; #X connect 20 0 18 0; #X connect 23 0 27 0; #X connect 24 0 10 0; #X connect 24 0 23 1; #X connect 25 0 26 0; #X connect 25 1 23 0; #X connect 26 0 24 0; #X connect 27 0 24 1; #X connect 33 0 14 0; #X connect 34 0 25 0; #X connect 34 0 29 0; #X connect 35 0 26 1; #X connect 35 1 27 1; #X connect 39 0 35 0; #X connect 40 0 35 0; #X connect 41 0 35 0; #X connect 42 0 1 1;

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Hi Thomas,

here is what I found on my P4, 1.8GHz, Win2k:

Pd out of the box: DSP OFF: 10.1 % noise~: 10.7 % zeroes: 72.1 %

Pd compiled with Intel C++ compiler and optimizations for P4 turned on (/O3 /G7 /QaxW): DSP OFF: 6.8 % noise~: 8.1 % zeroes: 7.9 %

Note: the rather hight values with DSP turned off are caused by the asio support!

It seems the Intel compiler somehow fixes this problem. You can get Pd compiled with this compiler from http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/experimental/

BTW, I still think that CPU usage is too high. Some patches using 25% in a 400MHz P2 use 20% on the 1.8GHz P4. This is not really what I expected...

Olaf

Thomas Musil schrieb:

Hi list,

Please try this benchmark-patch with 6 "hip~" Filters on a P4 (attached: test-hip~.pd). I ran this patch under w2k with a Pentium 4 / 2Ghz.

results: with white noise input, 6 hip~ take 0.1 % with zero-signal they eat about 31 % (denormalization of P4).

Question: could somebody try this patch under win_XP and/or under Linux and report his experience ?

my workaround was: adding a -200 dB noise to each filter.

i found some hints under:

http://music.calarts.edu/~majordom/music-dsp/2001-may/msg00470.html

Thomas Musil

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#N canvas 221 50 680 593 12; #X obj 357 147 noise~; #X obj 384 176 *~ 1; #X obj 384 201 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 228 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 254 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 281 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 306 hip~ 5; #X obj 384 333 hip~ 5; #X msg 439 109 0; #X msg 476 109 1; #X floatatom 112 559 4 0 0; #X obj 19 326 cputime; #X msg 19 238 1; #X floatatom 19 261 1 0 0; #X obj 19 303 t b b; #X obj 19 350 int; #X obj 19 213 loadbang; #X msg 15 92 ; pd dsp $1; #X msg 15 42 1; #X floatatom 15 68 1 0 0; #X obj 15 17 loadbang; #X text 43 259 cpu_load_on/off; #X text 39 66 dsp_on/off; #X obj 84 436 f; #X obj 44 500 +; #X obj 19 399 t f b; #X obj 19 435 * 0.1; #X obj 84 460 * 0.9; #X text 156 558 % cpu_mean; #X floatatom 112 538 4 0 0; #X text 153 538 % cpu_peak; #X text 293 44 with 6 recursive-filters; #X text 326 62 (lop~ or hip~); #X obj 19 281 metro 1000; #X obj 19 374 * 0.1; #X obj 102 409 unpack; #X text 176 335 fast; #X text 178 359 medium; #X text 193 386 slow; #X msg 102 385 0.05 0.95; #X msg 102 360 0.3 0.7; #X msg 102 336 0.8 0.2; #X floatatom 439 147 5 0 0; #X text 291 28 benchmark for Pentium 4 / 2 GHz; #X text 430 436 dsp_ON , noise_mul=1: 5.4 %; #X text 430 449 dsp_ON , noise_mul=0: 36.2 %; #X text 430 424 dsp_OFF , noise_mul=1: 5.3 %; #X text 420 407 benchmark-results under w2k:; #X text 101 315 cpu_mean_lowpass-time:; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 8 0 42 0; #X connect 9 0 42 0; #X connect 11 0 15 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 13 0 33 0; #X connect 14 0 11 0; #X connect 14 1 11 1; #X connect 15 0 34 0; #X connect 16 0 12 0; #X connect 18 0 19 0; #X connect 19 0 17 0; #X connect 20 0 18 0; #X connect 23 0 27 0; #X connect 24 0 10 0; #X connect 24 0 23 1; #X connect 25 0 26 0; #X connect 25 1 23 0; #X connect 26 0 24 0; #X connect 27 0 24 1; #X connect 33 0 14 0; #X connect 34 0 25 0; #X connect 34 0 29 0; #X connect 35 0 26 1; #X connect 35 1 27 1; #X connect 39 0 35 0; #X connect 40 0 35 0; #X connect 41 0 35 0; #X connect 42 0 1 1;

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     If you still care...

P4-mobile 1.7GHz, 512Mb RAM, WinXP (home)

DSP Off = <1 % noise 1 = 1.25 % noise 0 = 38 %

     But I guess this was expected...

At 01:40 AM 03/09/2002 +0200, Thomas Musil wrote:

Hi list,

Please try this benchmark-patch with 6 "hip~" Filters on a P4 (attached: test-hip~.pd). I ran this patch under w2k with a Pentium 4 / 2Ghz.

. . David McCallum . Music wants to be free . http://mentalfloss.ca/sintheta/ .